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Braith Anasta so we can get rid of him
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karmichael hunt on the wing for the reds ..they need a good wing
They got a bloke similar to Karmichael Hunt named Beale and both of them are nads. Hunt is over-rated big headed sellout. Waste of money if he came to Union, better off buying hotdogs to sell at the canteen to raise money for the juniors..
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Braith Anasta so we can get rid of him
nope he's yours through and through
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Would love to see Sonny Bill Williams or Steven Menzies five the 15 man format a blast. Bowen would be a handful and Thurston would be Aussies answer to Dan Carter
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Matty Bowen would be electrice in union. His speed and evasiveness would be devastating.
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Dr Al wrote :
Would love to see Sonny Bill Williams or Steven Menzies five the 15 man format a blast. Bowen would be a handful and Thurston would be Aussies answer to Dan Carter
Sonny Bill would be ok, but without his shoulder charge in union he'd be set back a fair bit I reckon.
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i wouldnt like to c any they would lake the fitness (they wouldnt be able to rest and walk round in between hitups) and they would lack the hole vision
I seriously hope for your sake that this comment is a gee up. League forwards are definitely fitter than rugby forwards, fullstop, no argument.
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I seriously hope for your sake that this comment is a gee up. League forwards are definitely fitter than rugby forwards, fullstop, no argument.
Ahaha nah I don't think so. I've played both and you definitely have to be fitter to play union. In union forwards don't get to be subbed as much; once you're off you're off for good. People say league forwards do more, but in my experience trying to get to all the breakdowns, making tackles and runs, etc. does take it out more on you. League forwards have to be more faster and mobile though.
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Ahaha nah I don't think so. I've played both and you definitely have to be fitter to play union. In union forwards don't get to be subbed as much; once you're off you're off for good. People say league forwards do more, but in my experience trying to get to all the breakdowns, making tackles and runs, etc. does take it out more on you. League forwards have to be more faster and mobile though.
you've played park football ....... Z grade cr@p i'd say. you can walk around a union field you can be very very ** on a union field..... & this is at the top level. you can't do either of these in the NRL.
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Lord Snot wrote :
I seriously hope for your sake that this comment is a gee up. League forwards are definitely fitter than rugby forwards, fullstop, no argument.
aww sorry mate didn't realise that rugby forwards walk round and don't put effort into scrums all night aww wait yeah sorry thats what league forwards do have a run then rest till the next set maybe even have 2 runs in a set with the exception of steve price! honestly man if u think that league forwards are fitter then rugby forwards u do not have a clue
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you've played park football ....... Z grade cr@p i'd say.
you can walk around a union field
you can be very very ** on a union field..... & this is at the top level.
you can't do either of these in the NRL.
Just appreciate the differences in the codes for what they are. No League player has the physique to play in the tight 5 in union as they have very different skills required in those positions. The backs that come to union from league love the space that is there but a lot don't play the same way as they did in league because they get isolated and get turned over. A good game of league played with quick play the balls and plenty of ball movement is an awesome spectacle as is a game of union played by 2 very good sides.
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raiderdave wrote :
you've played park football ....... Z grade cr@p i'd say.
you can walk around a union field
you can be very very ** on a union field..... & this is at the top level.
you can't do either of these in the NRL.
Ahaha I love it how some people can assume they know everything about other people's lives and what they've done only from a comment in an internet forum. I have no need to prove to you what levels of rugby I've played to you mate but certainly park football they are not. I see league forwards walk around all the time on the park. Petero, Carl Webb, etc- you ever see them get up brimming with energy after a tackle? Maybe after the first few hit ups but eventually you see them every game walking and catching their breathe after a tackle. Then they get subbed. Although in union the way it is structured you can probably get away with an unfit front rower or so, but never unfit second rowers or looseys. You happen to watch origin? QLD were hit with so many injuries that some of the forwards had to stay on and it was quite obvious they were heavily slowed down. Bottom line mate- although league and union share some similarities, the forwards in both games play completely different roles. You could only get league forwards to play as loose forwards but probably not in the tight five. League backs have to be more fit definitely because you get the ball alot more and run alot more compared to union. But league forwards, specifically loose forwards... No way sorry mate.
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Just appreciate the differences in the codes for what they are. No League player has the physique to play in the tight 5 in union as they have very different skills required in those positions.
The backs that come to union from league love the space that is there but a lot don't play the same way as they did in league because they get isolated and get turned over. A good game of league played with quick play the balls and plenty of ball movement is an awesome spectacle as is a game of union played by 2 very good sides.
Yeah exactly. Spot on mate. That's why every forward that has been mentioned so far in the thread has not been in the tight five and why every league to union convert so far has been a back. But seriously, just because you follow one doesn't mean you have to hate the other. They're not mutually exclusive. I play and watch both as do so many more. Just appreciate the differences as Kiwi in Oz has wisely pointed out.
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You happen to watch origin? QLD were hit with so many injuries that some of the forwards had to stay on and it was quite obvious they were heavily slowed down.
they may have been slowed down bit still had the & fitness to continue to compete Don't over read the interchange even the Biggest League Forwards are fit & mobile they get a break because they aren't as quick as the Danny Buderus's & Robbie Farrahs who can find space & exploit it I still think your loose forwards would struggle to cope with the speed around the rucks in League
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aww sorry mate didn't realise that rugby forwards walk round and don't put effort into scrums all night aww wait yeah sorry thats what league forwards do have a run then rest till the next set maybe even have 2 runs in a set with the exception of steve price! honestly man if u think that league forwards are fitter then rugby forwards u do not have a clue
Yep, just as I thought. A dumbass 17 year old Kiwi. No idea.
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raiderdave wrote :
they may have been slowed down bit still had the & fitness to continue to compete
Don't over read the interchange
even the Biggest League Forwards are fit & mobile
they get a break because they aren't as quick as the Danny Buderus's & Robbie Farrahs who can find space & exploit it
I still think your loose forwards would struggle to cope with the speed around the rucks in League
I would bet that McCaw, G Smith, Waugh, Elsom, Collins and Masoe would easily be as fit as any backrower in League. It wouldn't surprise me to find out if they were fitter.
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they may have been slowed down bit still had the & fitness to continue to compete
Don't over read the interchange
even the Biggest League Forwards are fit & mobile
they get a break because they aren't as quick as the Danny Buderus's & Robbie Farrahs who can find space & exploit it
I still think your loose forwards would struggle to cope with the speed around the rucks in League
Look the difference in league and union with forwards is in the rucks, mauls and scrums. Now you've got some of the hugest guys that play footy in the world (trust me mate, there's no arguing that the forwards in league are as big as the ones in union) at just about every ruck, every maul and scrum, trying as hard as they can to push against the other team. And then you've got to make tackles in between that. You actually look forward to the running bits in between because seriously that's nothing compared to the rucks/mauls/rucks! In terms of fitness, seriously, nothing kills you more than the continuous pushing in rucks, mauls and scrums; thats where league forwards never have to exert themselves as much. And mate the leaguies you've named that don't get interchanged are hookers... They wouldn't be classed as forwards in union but rather scrum halves (who usually play full games might I add). You put a league hooker in a union hooker position and I kid you not, his neck would snap lol. Don't take my word for it about the interchanges though, I can remember Sterlo, Gus and others say that the interchange count should be reduced like it was in the old days of league...
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Yep, just as I thought. A dumbass 17 year old Kiwi. No idea.
so r u saying that the league forwards don't walk around?? or r u saying that the forwards don't make 1 or 2 hit ups then walk around?? is it because i'm a kiwi i have no idea??
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Just thought I'd put another player's name in the mix- Dallas Johnson. The guy's got the right tackling technique for union and is just an absolute workhorse. Couldn't think of anyone better to fill in as a Flanker from league.
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Look the difference in league and union with forwards is in the rucks, mauls and scrums. Now you've got some of the hugest guys that play footy in the world (trust me mate, there's no arguing that the forwards in league are as big as the ones in union) at just about every ruck, every maul and scrum, trying as hard as they can to push against the other team. And then you've got to make tackles in between that. You actually look forward to the running bits in between because seriously that's nothing compared to the rucks/mauls/rucks!
In terms of fitness, seriously, nothing kills you more than the continuous pushing in rucks, mauls and scrums; thats where league forwards never have to exert themselves as much.
And mate the leaguies you've named that don't get interchanged are hookers... They wouldn't be classed as forwards in union but rather scrum halves (who usually play full games might I add). You put a league hooker in a union hooker position and I kid you not, his neck would snap lol.
Don't take my word for it about the interchanges though, I can remember Sterlo, Gus and others say that the interchange count should be reduced like it was in the old days of league...
I didn't say the nippy dummy halfs get a break I said they're the reason the bigger league forwards ..... Petro ..... Mason etc do they'd be caught out when they're tiring if they weren't & the same would happen to your loose forwards in union playing league I don't care how fit you think they are ..... they would struggle first up. and I'm talking about taking them off the Rugby Union training paddock now & plonking them straight into an NRL game theres no suggestion they'd never be able to cope..... in time they would.
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