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gonenutter wrote:
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sour grapes wrote:serious I appreciate that in Sydney there is not what could be called a massive gap between the various school systems - even CHS beat GPS last yer, but in Brisbane the situation is vast;y different. Without diminishing the importance or abilities of the AIC and State players, they are chalk and cheese. The GPS schools in Bris go to great lengths to secure the top talent. There are some like Nick Frisby etc who stay loyal to their schools, but I would be surprised if the GPS dont have a 90% representation in the final Qld sides - and it wont be based on bias as they will all cry - that is where the talent lies - the NTS in Qld for example has very few non GPS players. I for one would like it to be more level but the fact is the GPS have the folding stuff and a couple of schools use it pretty well to secure their players. State High also offers tremendous opportunity to players and are a continuing source of talented players.
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sidelinecoach wrote:
I appreciate that in Sydney there is not what could be called a massive gap between the various school systems - even CHS beat GPS last yer, but in Brisbane the situation is vast;y different. Without diminishing the importance or abilities of the AIC and State players, they are chalk and cheese. The GPS schools in Bris go to great lengths to secure the top talent. There are some like Nick Frisby etc who stay loyal to their schools, but I would be surprised if the GPS dont have a 90% representation in the final Qld sides - and it wont be based on bias as they will all cry - that is where the talent lies - the NTS in Qld for example has very few non GPS players. I for one would like it to be more level but the fact is the GPS have the folding stuff and a couple of schools use it pretty well to secure their players. State High also offers tremendous opportunity to players and are a continuing source of talented players.
yeah that's true, the gap is massive, you have a top team like Marist Ashgrove in AIC, lose to a injury ravaged Terrace side and they lose 38-17 or something, it says alot, when terrace is losing to State high, churchie by big scores
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State high certainly put a few points on Terrace, as they did to us two weeks back, but I think Churchie and Terrace played two close games, only one try in both of them, for one win each. But you are correct, the gap between GPS and AIC is not close
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Geronimo wrote:State high certainly put a few points on Terrace, as they did to us two weeks back, but I think Churchie and Terrace played two close games, only one try in both of them, for one win each. But you are correct, the gap between GPS and AIC is not close That truck that drove over TSS a couple of weeks ago was last seen driving through the gap between AIC and GPS
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I didn't make it to the game...thank god for small mercies
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sidelinecoach wrote:
I appreciate that in Sydney there is not what could be called a massive gap between the various school systems - even CHS beat GPS last yer, but in Brisbane the situation is vast;y different. Without diminishing the importance or abilities of the AIC and State players, they are chalk and cheese. The GPS schools in Bris go to great lengths to secure the top talent. There are some like Nick Frisby etc who stay loyal to their schools, but I would be surprised if the GPS dont have a 90% representation in the final Qld sides - and it wont be based on bias as they will all cry - that is where the talent lies - the NTS in Qld for example has very few non GPS players. I for one would like it to be more level but the fact is the GPS have the folding stuff and a couple of schools use it pretty well to secure their players. State High also offers tremendous opportunity to players and are a continuing source of talented players.
at least gps qld admits to giving scholarships unlike their nsw counterparts
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sour grapes wrote:at least gps qld admits to giving scholarships unlike their nsw counterparts I don't think it is ever in doubt - Nudgee went thru a time a couple of years ago where they offered NO scholarships and they paid dearly wrt results - I don't think State High does as they don't have the fees the others do but theuy do offer a great opportunity to the kids, TSS has a small number of scholarship, as do Churchie - there are aren't as many as people think - basically many players simply gravitate to the three schools if they are any good at rugby -
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sidelinecoach wrote:
I appreciate that in Sydney there is not what could be called a massive gap between the various school systems - even CHS beat GPS last yer, but in Brisbane the situation is vast;y different. Without diminishing the importance or abilities of the AIC and State players, they are chalk and cheese. The GPS schools in Bris go to great lengths to secure the top talent. There are some like Nick Frisby etc who stay loyal to their schools, but I would be surprised if the GPS dont have a 90% representation in the final Qld sides - and it wont be based on bias as they will all cry - that is where the talent lies - the NTS in Qld for example has very few non GPS players. I for one would like it to be more level but the fact is the GPS have the folding stuff and a couple of schools use it pretty well to secure their players. State High also offers tremendous opportunity to players and are a continuing source of talented players.
actually every player in the nts are all attending gps schools. may seem bias but all players who previously attended non gps schools but were in the qld nts squad were then automatically enrolled into gps schools (example michael birmingham and mitch carpenter)
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sidelinecoach wrote: I don't think it is ever in doubt - Nudgee went thru a time a couple of years ago where they offered NO scholarships and they paid dearly wrt results - I don't think State High does as they don't have the fees the others do but theuy do offer a great opportunity to the kids, TSS has a small number of scholarship, as do Churchie - there are aren't as many as people think - basically many players simply gravitate to the three schools if they are any good at rugby -
All schools offer them but TSS seem to go out big time in Year 11 to get players. Their 15As last year were the wipping boys of GPS. Much improved this year with addition of 7 new kids.
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goodjudge wrote:
All schools offer them but TSS seem to go out big time in Year 11 to get players. Their 15As last year were the wipping boys of GPS. Much improved this year with addition of 7 new kids.
not all state high i know for a fact do not offer full rugby scholarships but people are asked to go to state high and you can make it through their school if good at rugby. its with every student that attends the school you have to either be good at something or local.
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and back on topic..
i hear people have been talking up the css 1 side but i havent heard much of the aic 1 side. who are we looking out for in the aic sides this coming qld trials?
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goodjudge wrote:
All schools offer them but TSS seem to go out big time in Year 11 to get players. Their 15As last year were the wipping boys of GPS. Much improved this year with addition of 7 new kids.
The only 2 players brought in for 1st XV at TSS are the Cox twins and they were coming to the school regardless. The 16a's have 5 new players - some have been a benefit, some not so - but that is not the usual - TSS doesnt usually bring in so many for one year but as yu said, last year they were the whipping boys. TSS also never divulges who is on scholarships and more often than not kids say they are just to big note themselves when in fact they are not on any scholarship at all. As opposed to Nudgee who bring them in in year 8-9, cream everyone for 2-3 years and usually fall off the top in the older years. Go figure. Big red in the NC 16a's was devastating in the 13's - but he was a metre taller than everyone else. From what I saw this year he is just about the same size as everyone else, just another player, nothing special -
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lazyfob wrote:
actually every player in the nts are all attending gps schools. may seem bias but all players who previously attended non gps schools but were in the qld nts squad were then automatically enrolled into gps schools (example michael birmingham and mitch carpenter)
Quite incorrect - there are still one or two at the Qld NTS who are not at a GPS school. I think you will find that Birmo was going to Grammar regardless of NTS position, can't speak for carpenter.
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sour grapes wrote:at least gps qld admits to giving scholarships unlike their nsw counterparts sorry they do admit to giving them out but theyre called music scholarships ( playing the triangle or the really talented kids play tamberine )
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Back on topic AIC 1 has really good front row all Ashgrove (1-3), so hunt together as a pack should, 3- Maafu is quite good. Although from games I saw the Villa 3- McIntyre was unlucky not to get first choice rather than reserve T.H. 7 - Treby and 8 - Anderson very strong, agressive runners and should go well. 15 Felsman probably one of the fastest of any school on the paddock.
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gonenutter wrote: The only 2 players brought in for 1st XV at TSS are the Cox twins and they were coming to the school regardless. The 16a's have 5 new players - some have been a benefit, some not so - but that is not the usual - TSS doesnt usually bring in so many for one year but as yu said, last year they were the whipping boys. TSS also never divulges who is on scholarships and more often than not kids say they are just to big note themselves when in fact they are not on any scholarship at all. As opposed to Nudgee who bring them in in year 8-9, cream everyone for 2-3 years and usually fall off the top in the older years. Go figure. Big red in the NC 16a's was devastating in the 13's - but he was a metre taller than everyone else. From what I saw this year he is just about the same size as everyone else, just another player, nothing special -
Good points, but is it worse for the kids for the NC situation or the TSS? I don't really care what other kids say about school recruiting etc, but feel for the kids who pay fees for 3 years, play their heart out, and then get replaced in year 11 by scholarship kids. Big red for NC never finished a game against BSHS and I never rated him even as the huge year 8 kid. I thnk he played wing last year didn't he? Supposed to be a pretty good hurdler.
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goodjudge wrote: Good points, but is it worse for the kids for the NC situation or the TSS? I don't really care what other kids say about school recruiting etc, but feel for the kids who pay fees for 3 years, play their heart out, and then get replaced in year 11 by scholarship kids. Big red for NC never finished a game against BSHS and I never rated him even as the huge year 8 kid. I thnk he played wing last year didn't he? Supposed to be a pretty good hurdler.
I saw red play in Armidale in 05 and the only reason he scored so many tries was he was twice the size of every other player - I also have never rated him and players now are starting to play all over him. I have also NEVER seen him in a hurdle race and he has never featured at GPS T&F in the hurdles. Far too many people confuse size and its resulting dominance over smaller players with skill. More often than not those big 13, 14 and 15 year olds who are running all over other players are there because they are big, they don't have training regimen, they are rarely dedicated and they then get eclipsed once the slow developers with talent and a desire grow and their real skill level (and dedication) come to light. For that reason I have never put too much credence in representative teams before the age of 16, they just do not indicate who are the good players as opposed to dominant players. Lower grades at all schools are full of players who as 13 year old were touted as the next big thing and TSS, NC are no exceptions. If a player is good enough, by age 16 he will be noticed. But don't take notice of anything beforehand. As for kids being replaced, at TSS I have never seen a 'worthy' player replaced by a ring in - they do all they can to develop their own . TSS actually take great pride in the number of preppies that go thru to 1stXV. It is usually quite a respectable number compared to the other schools although this year and probably next is a bit down on previous years. Of the current 1st XV, 2 came this year, and from memory all the others came at or before year 9 with 3 from prep school, one of those grade 2. So imports at TSS this year in 1st XV are not as predominant as people think, well as opposed to the 2001 team that had to be introduced to each other at the beginning of the year.
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gonenutter wrote:
Quite incorrect - there are still one or two at the Qld NTS who are not at a GPS school. I think you will find that Birmo was going to Grammar regardless of NTS position, can't speak for carpenter.
nah pretty sure its every player, george morseau (from st peters i think?)was in the original nts squad from the beginning but i think either pulled out or got dropped
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gonenutter wrote:
I saw red play in Armidale in 05 and the only reason he scored so many tries was he was twice the size of every other player - I also have never rated him and players now are starting to play all over him. I have also NEVER seen him in a hurdle race and he has never featured at GPS T&F in the hurdles. Far too many people confuse size and its resulting dominance over smaller players with skill. More often than not those big 13, 14 and 15 year olds who are running all over other players are there because they are big, they don't have training regimen, they are rarely dedicated and they then get eclipsed once the slow developers with talent and a desire grow and their real skill level (and dedication) come to light. For that reason I have never put too much credence in representative teams before the age of 16, they just do not indicate who are the good players as opposed to dominant players. Lower grades at all schools are full of players who as 13 year old were touted as the next big thing and TSS, NC are no exceptions. If a player is good enough, by age 16 he will be noticed. But don't take notice of anything beforehand. As for kids being replaced, at TSS I have never seen a 'worthy' player replaced by a ring in - they do all they can to develop their own . TSS actually take great pride in the number of preppies that go thru to 1stXV. It is usually quite a respectable number compared to the other schools although this year and probably next is a bit down on previous years. Of the current 1st XV, 2 came this year, and from memory all the others came at or before year 9 with 3 from prep school, one of those grade 2. So imports at TSS this year in 1st XV are not as predominant as people think, well as opposed to the 2001 team that had to be introduced to each other at the beginning of the year.
Nutter are you saying there were only two scholarship players in the 2009 team? Because I was of the understanding there may have been a few more than that.
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