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All Season Games Average Stats taken straight from NRL.com - tell me where I'm wrong if you can.
Brett Stewart:
Tries: 0.92 (22) All Runs: 12.21 All Run Metres: 121.58 Line Breaks: 0.67 Hit Ups 0.42 Offloads: 0.92 Tackles: 6.17 Missed Tackles: 1.71 Errors: 1.25
Billy Slater:
Tries: 0.54 (14) All Runs: 10.88 All Run Metres: 120.19 Line Breaks: 0.88 Hit Ups 0.19 Offloads: 0.65 Tackles: 4.81 Missed Tackles: 1.19 Errors: 1.46
Karmichael Hunt:
Tries: 0.19 (4) All Runs: 11.9 All Run Metres: 119.33 Line Breaks: 0.43 Hit Ups 0.67 Offloads: 0.67 Tackles: 2.62 Missed Tackles: 1.62 Errors: 0.72
Ranks:
Tries: Stewart 22 Slater 14 Hunt 4
All Runs: Stewart 12.21 Hunt 11.90 Slater 10.88
All Run Metres: Stewart 121.58 Slater 120.19 Hunt 119.33
Line Breaks: Slater 0.88 Stewart 0.67 Hunt 0.43
Hit Ups: Hunt 0.67 Stewart 0.42 Slater 0.19
Offloads: Stewart 0.92 Hunt 0.67 Slater 0.65
Tackles: Stewart 6.17 Slater 4.81 Hunt 2.62
Missed Tackles: Slater 1.19 Hunt 1.62 Stewart 1.71
Errors: Hunt 0.72 Stewart 1.25 Slater 1.46
Times 1st: Stewart 5 Slater 2 Hunt 2
Times 2nd: Stewart 3 Slater 3 Hunt 3
Times 3rd: Slater 4 Hunt 4 Stewart 1
So you can see clearly that Stewart is easily the best fullback in the game and hence should be in the Australian #1 jersey with Slater the 2nd option and Hunt.... no where...
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Slater and Hunt were dead even how can you judge 1 over the other?
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bundys_bro wrote:Slater and Hunt were dead even how can you judge 1 over the other? true, mainly coz I hate Hunt.  hehe but all the stats are 100% correct, anyone feel free to prove me wrong on them and its not as if i picked certain categories, i just chose the default the NRL.com site gave me
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Got nothing wrong with your stats I do however have a problem with the worth of some of the stats. Such as Tackles (the fullback shouldn't have to make any tackles)
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bundys_bro wrote:Got nothing wrong with your stats I do however have a problem with the worth of some of the stats. Such as Tackles (the fullback shouldn't have to make any tackles) true but you'd say Tries scored has the biggest influence wouldnt you ? and that has a massive gap
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jameshunter1 wrote:
true but you'd say Tries scored has the biggest influence wouldnt you ? and that has a massive gap
For a Fullback not really. For Wingers and Centres yes but the Fullback should be helping set-up the tries. And also Try-savers should be included.
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well it doesnt have try saves but i could add in try assists.
eh i cant seem to get the 'extra' categories for each individual player all season
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stats play a role but come on the selectors will never chose a team on stats like ryles going into origin seen as stats wise one of the best front rowers wasnt picked
at the end of the day hunt will be in 1 and gidley will be off the bench playing a bit of fullback and hooker
gidley should be there as well personally i think he is the best fullback in the game
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Well then what do the selectors, select on? Who goes gangbanging in toilets?
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Lies damn lies and Statistics Isn't that the saying?
Stats will just confuse ya go with your eyes Imo ie Fowards might gain heaps of metres in easy games but not when it counts so there stats would be better than others who are better. Sh*t Sides Might not have the ball as much so they would miss more tackles because they make more tackles
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Yea try assists should be added...
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Mo. wrote:Yea try assists should be added... i cant find individual overall stats.. but id bet ya stewart would win that too
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heheheh, Slater has set up a few tries as well so you never know...
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What a pointless use of stats. I had a look, but who cares, stats mean ***** all in the race for the Aus fullback spot.
Its all about how they impact the game and when they make there impact. What are the Aus selectors looking for, who knows???
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jameshunter1 wrote:
i cant find individual overall stats.. but id bet ya stewart would win that too
i reckon hunt would get the try assist due to the fact he's the link man in brisbanes 2nd man play to the likes of boyd / kemp. thats about the only play that the broncs use to score the majority of their tries. I agree however that stats are irrelevant when the selectors pick the team.
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Hey James here's some stats for you, do you know which Fullback last year was the equal leading try scorer, the leader in line breaks and tackle breaks, and do you know which Fullback was picked for the Australian team, not the same Fullback.
Statistics arn't everything people, they don't tell the whole story, or even if they do come close people very rarely have access to the full selection of statistics from which to draw a conclusion. They don't tell you how a player reacts under pressure in big games, they don't tell you how tough a player is and whether he will have the guts and determination to keep on going when others wouldn't, they don't tell you whether he is a team player or not, they don't tell you whether or not that player is able to draw upon something extra in those crucial moments they don't tell you a lot of things, and a lot of times a player's statistics and performances are determined by those around them, assisting them, rather than as an individual.
Teams are not picked on statistics, statistics help provide a guide to a players form but that's it, they are not the be all and end all, it's the reason why on paper and statistic wise Campese is a better 5/8 this year the Lockyer, or Orford a better HB than Thurston, people that truly understand the game and look beyond mere statistics the performances from the last month or so understand that the latter of those players are better players albeit that there most recent statistics might not reflect this.
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i already know all this. stewart performed in all the origin series and in the finals series
why do people think he wont get the #1 position is beyond me, i want explanations as to why slater/hunt would
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jameshunter1 wrote:i already know all this. stewart performed in all the origin series and in the finals series
why do people think he wont get the #1 position is beyond me, i want explanations as to why slater/hunt would I'm not saying Stewart definately won't I'm just saying that using statistics to try and show why he definately will is an exercise in flawed logic as selectors take more than just this into account and have a notable history of not picking the leading cantidate for a postion but rather going for a player who they feel is better suited dispite not statistically being the best.
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Scotty wrote:Hey James here's some stats for you, do you know which Fullback last year was the equal leading try scorer, the leader in line breaks and tackle breaks, and do you know which Fullback was picked for the Australian team, not the same Fullback.
Statistics arn't everything people, they don't tell the whole story, or even if they do come close people very rarely have access to the full selection of statistics from which to draw a conclusion. They don't tell you how a player reacts under pressure in big games, they don't tell you how tough a player is and whether he will have the guts and determination to keep on going when others wouldn't, they don't tell you whether he is a team player or not, they don't tell you whether or not that player is able to draw upon something extra in those crucial moments they don't tell you a lot of things, and a lot of times a player's statistics and performances are determined by those around them, assisting them, rather than as an individual.
Teams are not picked on statistics, statistics help provide a guide to a players form but that's it, they are not the be all and end all, it's the reason why on paper and statistic wise Campese is a better 5/8 this year the Lockyer, or Orford a better HB than Thurston, people that truly understand the game and look beyond mere statistics the performances from the last month or so understand that the latter of those players are better players albeit that there most recent statistics might not reflect this. The middle paragraph is first class . The higher Grade you play the easier it is because the people around you are so good....... ..Not that "hunter" is wrong either It all counts combined. edit after JH1 - Not sure if your talking about what i said I just meant it as 2nd grade or u/20's to 1st grade . looking at my comments they have got nothing to do with it . i don't even know where i'm coming from.
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well all 3 fullbacks are from just about the top 3 sides
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