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kiwikid33 wrote:Id be keen on the two leagues format.
league 1 being the top 8 teams from voting in the last game
the bottom eight being the rest and newcomers
it could work that both leagues are bidding on the same players ie 1 cam smith in each league. the squads would be quite strong that way. I think that having the top 8 from last time and the bottom two relegated to be with the newbies sounds like a great idea. Brilliant! However, don't like the idea of having two of each player - one in each league. I think the uniqueness of having two leagues with all different players, basically making it two tiers is going to be awesome and a real draw card for me. top league - top 10 teams from NRL - I think there should be no leftovers in this league just to make it slightly harder and gives the bottom league a chance at some missed bargains. Either that or we could have a way that some of the leftovers get dropped down to the bottom league and some of them stay up so top league still gets a leftover round but bottom league benefits from lack of interest. bottom league - bottom 6 teams from NRL + ESL + some kind of leftovers from top league It's going to be difficult to do with so much interest this time around. What's our maximum amount of players?
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Another option could be just split the NRL and ESL teams straight down the middle top 8 NRL teams and top 6 ESL teams.
second tier comp gets bottom 8 NRL teams + bottom 6 ESL teams
So the rounds could be something like
1 - first league - Melbourne Storm, NZ Warriors, St Helens, Wolves
second league - Knights, Bulldogs, Wildcats, Castleford
2 - first league - Sea Eagles, Raiders, Leeds, Bradford
second league - Tigers, Cowboys, Hull KR, Hull FC
3 - first league - Sharks, Dragons, Catalans Dragons
second league - Eels, Rabbitohs, Harlequins
4 - first league - Roosters, Broncos, Wigan
second league - Panthers, Titans, Huddersfield
5 - leftover round for both squads - still not sure how you'd drop some players to the lower leagues. Maybe even just combine both lots of leftovers and split them somehow so some go up to the top league and some come down
This gives each "league" with 7 or 8 teams; 14 teams to choose from. That's a decent amount of player pool if we're willing to use the ESL squads.
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I'm starting to think that the inclusion of ESL teams just isn't going to work. Lots of guys here will have never heard of most of these players. They will be severaly disadvantaged when it comes to choosing squads.
Maybe kiwikid's idea of having each player twice; once in each league is going to have to be the way to do it.
This would mean the bidding rounds would be the same for both leagues
I would suggest options a - (if we were to do 4 teams a round)
Round 1 - Storm, Bulldogs, Cowboys, Rabbitohs
Round 2 - Sea Eagles, Titans, Panthers, Eels
Round 3 - Sharks, Tigers, Knights, Warriors
Round 4 - Roosters, Raiders, Dragons, Broncos
both leagues would get this bidding schedule. There would be no trading between leagues as that could result in the same player being in a league twice.
There would be promotion/relegation so the top 2 from the bottom league swap with the top 2 from the top league if we want to do another one after this. Any people who chose to leave, then teams move up according to rankings and newbies start from the bottom.
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i follow the esl
btw, how are you going to judge a "NEWBIE"
by date joined or posts?
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Let me know what you guys think and I'll keep on throwing ideas around 
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Stoke City wrote:i follow the esl
btw, how are you going to judge a "NEWBIE"
by date joined or posts? I meant new to this competition. If people want to join this comp and they haven't played before, then they are newbies. I also follow the ESL though admittedly not as closely as I used to, still doesn't mean that the majority do. example: If I pick Martin Gleeson and Keith Senior as my starting centres and Gardner as my winger then people who don't know the ESL will vote me down because they don't know who they are, might think I have a weak backline when in truth, it'd probably be one of the best. As much as I'd love to include ESL players, I just don't think it's a viable option.
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so just an example, if the current comp finished in this order:
1 - kiwikid
2 - filthridden
3 - Shandon
4 - KromyD
5 - celtics08
6 - pimpmaster
7 - TGM
8 - Roger
9 - HH
10 - Cronks
11 - Svoerman
12 - Panthers
The next comp would look like this:
League 1:
1 - kiwikid
2 - filthridden
3 - Shandon
4 - KromyD
5 - celtics08
6 - pimpmaster
7 - TGM
8 - Roger
admin - Panthers
league 2:
1 - HH (9th)
2 - Cronks (10th)
3 - SBW - newbie
4 - DUB - newbie
5 - cammo - newbie
6 - Stoke - newbie
7 - x newbie
8 - y newbie
admin: Svoerman
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filthridden wrote:I'm starting to think that the inclusion of ESL teams just isn't going to work. Lots of guys here will have never heard of most of these players. They will be severaly disadvantaged when it comes to choosing squads.
Maybe kiwikid's idea of having each player twice; once in each league is going to have to be the way to do it.
This would mean the bidding rounds would be the same for both leagues
I would suggest options a - (if we were to do 4 teams a round)
Round 1 - Storm, Bulldogs, Cowboys, Rabbitohs
Round 2 - Sea Eagles, Titans, Panthers, Eels
Round 3 - Sharks, Tigers, Knights, Warriors
Round 4 - Roosters, Raiders, Dragons, Broncos
both leagues would get this bidding schedule. There would be no trading between leagues as that could result in the same player being in a league twice.
There would be promotion/relegation so the top 2 from the bottom league swap with the top 2 from the top league if we want to do another one after this. Any people who chose to leave, then teams move up according to rankings and newbies start from the bottom. This would be the idea but only have two teams a round to bid on and have two rounds a day. rounds can start once all bids are in or at a scheduled time which ever comes first we found last time that four teams at a go can cause players to go over budget pretty quickly. Also for voting everyone votes for the top 3 teams in each league.
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kiwikid33 wrote:
This would be the idea but only have two teams a round to bid on and have two rounds a day. rounds can start once all bids are in or at a scheduled time which ever comes first we found last time that four teams at a go can cause players to go over budget pretty quickly.
Also for voting everyone votes for the top 3 teams in each league.
Yep, I'd be happier with only two teams a round and twice a day... could definitely handle that. In that case the rounds would be as follow (with a 1, 16 - 2, 15 etc system) Day1 Round 1 - Storm, Bulldogs Round 2 - Sea Eagles, Cowboys Day 2 Round 1 - Sharks, Rabbitohs Round 2 - Roosters, Titans Day 3 Round 1 - Broncos, Panthers Round 2 - Dragons, Eels Day 4 Round 1 - Raiders, Tigers Round 2 - Warriors, Knights Day 5 - leftovers Day 6 - squad finalisation Day 7 - voting
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so wat league m i in and who m i biddin on?
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DUB wrote:so wat league m i in and who m i biddin on? I don't think this'll start till tomorrow at the earliest as the other game still has to be sorted out and we still have a lot to decide on before this one starts, just throwing ideas around at the moment... if you've got anything to contribute I'm sure everyone will be all ears, this is a pretty democratic game after all.
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ill play if i can.
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HH#7 wrote:ill play if i can. Looks like we're going for 16 teams and you're number 14 so far by my count so it's looking good
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Players 1. SBW - newbie - league 2 - yeah I reckon you get classed as a newbie seeing as you were admin first time around 2. DUB 3. filthridden 4. kiwikid33 5. Shanbon 6. KromyD 7. celtics08 8. pimpmaster 9. Tim "Gerry" Mander 10. Cronk'sArmy 11. Cammo1707 - newbie - league 212. Stoke City - newbie - league 213. Roger 14. HH#7
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Newbie. I like it.
Personally id consider myself somewhat of a veteran of these games by now, but am happy to work/screw my way to the top
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Sorry guys but I don't like the idea of ESL teams included. I just don't follow them as much.
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I will play whatever, but i dont really like the idea of league 1 getting top 10 nrl sides and league 2 getting bottom 6, as then league 1 cant get players like Thurston, Mateo and the league 2 will have less quality. I understand the split becuase of the number of players but we could just have the 16 players making min squads of 17 in just one league with all NRL sides and hand pick the best 50 ESL players. That would mean 25*16 = 400 + 50 = 450 players to split between 16 teams. More players will just mean 1 or 2 superstars in your side while trying to pick up many bargins.
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Shanbon wrote:I will play whatever, but i dont really like the idea of league 1 getting top 10 nrl sides and league 2 getting bottom 6, as then league 1 cant get players like Thurston, Mateo and the league 2 will have less quality. I understand the split becuase of the number of players but we could just have the 16 players making min squads of 17 in just one league with all NRL sides and hand pick the best 50 ESL players. That would mean 25*16 = 400 + 50 = 450 players to split between 16 teams. More players will just mean 1 or 2 superstars in your side while trying to pick up many bargins. I think kiwikid suggested we have all 16 teams in both leagues. So there would be two Billy Slaters, two Brent Tates and two Nathan Hindmarshes etc but only one in each league. That way there are 16 teams between 8 people and the squads will be quite strong. I don't the ESL teams is going to happen, it's probably best it doesn't.
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Could we have 7 in each league? (If no one else joins)
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SBW wrote:Newbie. I like it.
Personally id consider myself somewhat of a veteran of these games by now, but am happy to work/screw my way to the top Yep, you'd proabably be a vet if it was based on how many of these style games you've played but I reckon if we use that system we were talking about above, you should be considered a newbie. Hey, I could be down there with you depending on how many votes my teams get. To be honest, it would be more of a challenge to gain promotion in the second league... something to work towards.
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