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nah id rather terry + carvalho than ferdinand + vidic IMO
and belletti and alex are decent backups IMO, and would walk into any premier leagues teams defense bar a couple (man u arsenal)
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Chelsea4Lyf wrote:
what do u mean both sides have poor back ups
chelsea have great back up defenders, and i dont know why you dont rate carvalho very highly
tell me where i said i dont rate carvhello?? (although his performance against manure last year made me wince) he's in all my fantasy sides - i just rate vidic EXTREMELY high. and who are these great back up defenders?? alex is nothing - as has been shown many a time - very slow, uncomfortable with the ball what i'm saying is basically all sides have poor back ups in defence - there arent that many great defenders out there - there are hundres of world class midfielders, and to an extent, strikers - but there aint many world class defenders out there
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emirates wrote:
tell me where i said i dont rate carvhello?? (although his performance against manure last year made me wince) he's in all my fantasy sides - i just rate vidic EXTREMELY high.
and who are these great back up defenders?? alex is nothing - as has been shown many a time - very slow, uncomfortable with the ball
what i'm saying is basically all sides have poor back ups in defence - there arent that many great defenders out there - there are hundres of world class midfielders, and to an extent, strikers - but there aint many world class defenders out there
fair enough i just think that carvalho is the 3rd or 4th best centre back in the world and i reckon alex is a great back up but everyone has their own opinions
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This is the most pointless thread ever. Has anyone ever won a trophy on paper?
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Chelsea4Lyf wrote:
fair enough
i just think that carvalho is the 3rd or 4th best centre back in the world
and i reckon alex is a great back up
but everyone has their own opinions
i dont disagree he is a decent back up, but he has nothing on terry/carvahllo or vidic/ferdinand its the actuall partnerships themselves. carvhello would be in the top 5, easily top 10 - but that comes back to my thoughts that after the top 10 CBs going around, it drops pretty quick - where as you could name 30-40 mids that would all be elite standard
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raffa_the_gaffa wrote:who would you say they would be..
i think they are chelsea, ac milan, real madrid Not being biased. But on paper you would have to say Manchester United.
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Cammo1707 wrote:I am a chelsea fan, but if i was to compare the teams (first teams)
Cech > Van Der Sar
Bosingwa > Brown/Neville
Carvalho and Vidic are pretty even
Terry and Ferdinand are pretty even
Cole and Evra are pretty even
Cole < Ronaldo
Lampard > Scholes
Essien > Carrick/Hargreaves
Ballack > Carrick/Hargreaves
Deco > Giggs/Nani
Drogba is at least equal to Berba/Tevez/Rooney when they're fit and firing
Cech > Almunia Bosingwa > Sagna Carvalho = toure Terry = Gallas A sshole < Clichy J.Cole > Nasri Ballack < Fabregas Deco > Denilson Kalou < Walcott Drogba = Ade Anelka < RVP Di Santo < Vela I mite be a bit biased aswell. u can just compare players though u've got to comapre how they mix and arsneal gel together so well. but IMO Inter or Real have the best lists going around
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smashedmirror704 wrote:This is the most pointless thread ever. Has anyone ever won a trophy on paper?
yep, you could win like a bingo comp, and bingo uses paper 
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Chelsea4Lyf wrote:
fair enough
i just think that carvalho is the 3rd or 4th best centre back in the world
and i reckon alex is a great back up
but everyone has their own opinions
Yeh, I've always rated alex highly, still not near carvalho and terry etc... But in this magazine I have "World Soccer" they ranked the 100 best players in the world in an issue from last year. They had Alex down as 54th best player in the world...and he was about the 10th defender on the list. Granted it's changed a bit now. But he is still considered to be a class player.
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raffa_the_gaffa wrote:
i agree totally..good defender just as good as terry
Carvalho is far, far better than Terry. He carries him. People are just blinded by Terry's 'heroics'; perhaps they value yelling a lot over having pace or positional sense. The 3 best squads competing in the UCL are, imo, Chelsea's, Inter's, and Barca's. Madrid's has too many holes in it still (one striker short, one right winger short, no adequate back-up for Ramos). Manchester United's is an obvious candidate as well (you don't win the double without a deep squad full of quality), but so long as they still have Nani, I'd have the other teams on paper.
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Funky Beat wrote:
Carvalho is far, far better than Terry. He carries him. People are just blinded by Terry's 'heroics'; perhaps they value yelling a lot over having pace or positional sense.
The 3 best squads competing in the UCL are, imo, Chelsea's, Inter's, and Barca's. Madrid's has too many holes in it still (one striker short, one right winger short, no adequate back-up for Ramos). Manchester United's is an obvious candidate as well (you don't win the double without a deep squad full of quality), but so long as they still have Nani, I'd have the other teams on paper.
yep i picked those 3 too
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t_dogga#11 wrote:
Cech > Almunia
Bosingwa > Sagna
Carvalho = toure
Terry = Gallas
Asshole < Clichy
J.Cole > Nasri
Ballack < Fabregas
Deco > Denilson
Kalou < Walcott
Drogba = Ade
Anelka < RVP
Di Santo < Vela
I mite be a bit biased aswell. u can just compare players though u've got to comapre how they mix and arsneal gel together so well.
but IMO Inter or Real have the best lists going around
i'd probably give carvhello the nod over toure - based purely on defensive skill (see i do rate him), but other than that i agree - give nasri a little longer and I think you will see the > become an = become an <. probem is though, compar chelskis next line AT THIS POINT IN TIME and you would be getting a lot of > for them
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I was just talking to me ol' mate big ears, he says United are the best team.
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emirates wrote:
i'd probably give carvhello the nod over toure - based purely on defensive skill (see i do rate him), but other than that i agree - give nasri a little longer and I think you will see the > become an = become an <.
probem is though, compar chelskis next line AT THIS POINT IN TIME and you would be getting a lot of > for them
you think gallas and terry are equal?
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yeahagree with ur last line completely emirates. and it will probably be the same in 5 years time when tour youngster develop because they will have just bought their team anyway
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Chelsea4Lyf wrote:
you think gallas and terry are equal?
both are more talk then anything, so yeah. gallas is a top notch defender - so i might even give it to him, but he gets a little messed up. its not the actual DEFENDING that lets him down, its his sometimes questionable antics as skipper. and he has a tremendous big game scoring goal record
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definately inter, chelsea, barca
world class:
inter - quaresma, mancini, cambiasso, ibrahimovic, chivu
chelsea - drogba, lampard, j.cole, ballack, terry, carvahlo, cech
barca - henry, messi, iniesta, xavi, puyol
others close are real, ac, man u, arsenal
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gunners wrote:definately inter, chelsea, barca
world class:
inter - quaresma, mancini, cambiasso, ibrahimovic, chivu
chelsea - drogba, lampard, j.cole, ballack, terry, carvahlo, cech
barca - henry, messi, iniesta, xavi, puyol
others close are real, ac, man u, arsenal I wouldn't put Quaresma is the World Class yet, he's very good but no World Class, we payed 30 million euro's for him and until he shows he's worth every penny i won't consider him World Class. Maicon is absolute world class, the best right back in the world, spot on with Chivu, the problem with him is that he's always played out of position ala Left Back or defensice midfielder at times last season when really he's a center back and formed one of the best CB partnerships in the world with Phillipe Mexes when at Roma. Mancini as well, a little to inconsistent to be world class but he is brilliant. In the big games he blows hot and cold too much but at his best like Quaresma, is almost unstoppable. I would say our world class players are Julio Cesar who is in the top 5 keepers in the world, Maicon, Javier Zanetti although past his best is still a mighty fine player, Cordoba, Chivu, Cambiasso and Ibrahimovic.
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In terms of who i think are the best three sides in Europe, i'd have to say Manchester United, Chelsea and Inter Milan.
I know i have left out Barcelona and Real Madrid, Barcelona just are not the same as they once were, Valdes the kepper is rubbish as is their defense and they struggle to take advantage of their opportunities.
Real Madrid just have too many holes in their squad, it's very good but their defense is still a problem and players like Robben drift in and out of games too much. An example is their Champions League record, like us they have struggled to get past the second round but unlike us they have been outplayed by better sides, especially last season where Roma gave them a lesson. We have been on the receiving end of two years straight of bad luck, both against Valencia and Liverpool so that's why i put us slightly ahead of Real.
One thing is for, on any given day, any of these sides can beat each other, and really it is a matter of preference as to who you follow and how you rate your side as to who you put as you preferred three.
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As far as a first team line-up goes...
Casillas; Ramos, Pepe, Cannavaro, Heinze; Gago, Diarra; Van der Vaart, Sneijder, Robben; Van Nistelrooy
(4-2-3-1)
I think you would seriously struggle to beat that on paper.
Inter are up there, but lack of creativity in the middle holds them back. That said, if you put the Inter team on paper with a 4-4-2 formation you would see that there is simply no weakness.
Arsenal are superb on paper as well, but fall because of the lack of a consistent and quality Right Midfielder.
Milan's defence isnt good enough. Man U dont have a RB and they also have a massive hole in the centre of midfield.
Chelsea have strength everywhere, but like Inter, I think they employ the wrong formation (but then, I just plain dont like the 4-3-3) I think that Chelsea's wingers (Kalou, Cole, Malouda) leave them short of the Madrid first team.
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