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Lachy
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:18:44 PM
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with the panthers releasing wesser, do you think panthers might sign him up, as the coach used to be coaching him.
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Cronulla- No Money signed Barret
Bulldogs- Need to wait on outcome of SBW money under salary cap
Panthers- No money unless Pritchard leaves
Parra- HAGAN
Knights- No money- cutting forwards to stay under cap
Cowboys- No money need to upgrade Thurston
Brisbane- No Money already over cap
Rabbits- Just picked up Wesser would struggle unless ofloaded Kidwell
Dragons- Lots of money and Bennet - Best chance
Tigers- No money
Titans- No Money.
Melbourne-No Money
Roosters- Possible they fit everyone else under their cap
Nz- Not sure on money but doubt will want to go, even Luke Walsh knocked back the lifestyle
Raiders- Sacked him. Leaving for good.
Eagles- Tried earlier in the season but have since signed players but always able to find room under their cap.
raiderdave
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:19:21 PM
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Shanbon wrote:


Considering over the past 2 years Canberra have picked up players cut from other clubs for behavioural problems it would be hypocritical of the NRL to back them when its on the other foot.

Costigan from the Broncos and Tilse from the Knights. Tilse was dereistered for the rest of the season at the Knights(unlucky that the incident happened preseason), the same thing could apply to Carney but no way should they stop him from playing anywhere else in 09.


I don't think its quite the same ...
Tilse was sacked for one indiscretion .... it was quite harsh most thought , & he was barely known at the time , this does make a difference , A Players profile I mean
Not sure about Costigan ... in terms of the cir*****stances of his sacking but I believe it was a drink Driving charge , not the same as Carneys .... Drink Driving Charge followed by a driving without a license ... avoiding police & leaving the scene of a crime. & stories of another dozen things he's done to bring the game into disrepute.

Carney has a long list of incidents ... 4 times as long as the other 2 put together
The NRL has gounds to sit this bloke out ..... I'd doubt the Raiders will have to say much if anything to have the NRL follow up their threat , that if he refused to follow their 5 point plan they'd de register him for one season.

Face it
I'd doubt he'll be playing anywhere else in 09


The Myth
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:20:02 PM
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Gallop has banned him from NRL in 2009, but is powerless to stop him joining any other competition.

Interesting choice of words Mr. Gallop - considering what is going on with Sonny....
Lachy
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:21:01 PM
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Shanbon wrote:
Cronulla- No Money signed Barret
Bulldogs- Need to wait on outcome of SBW money under salary cap
Panthers- No money unless Pritchard leaves
Parra- HAGAN
Knights- No money- cutting forwards to stay under cap
Cowboys- No money need to upgrade Thurston
Brisbane- No Money already over cap
Rabbits- Just picked up Wesser would struggle unless ofloaded Kidwell
Dragons- Lots of money and Bennet - Best chance
Tigers- No money
Titans- No Money.
Melbourne-No Money
Roosters- Possible they fit everyone else under their cap
Nz- Not sure on money but doubt will want to go, even Luke Walsh knocked back the lifestyle
Raiders- Sacked him. Leaving for good.
Eagles- Tried earlier in the season but have since signed players but always able to find room under their cap.


Thats better. Very Happy

Mine was rough copy.

do you think hagan want to buy him?
pete
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:22:45 PM
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It seems weird that he has only been sacked by the Raiders. Nothing has been said about him being deregistered??? The NRL are treating this similar to the AFL with Cousins. I think he will have a good case to play next season with rehab and proves to a court he has helped himself. IMO the clubs most likely to sign him will be Warriors or Cowboys. In Auckland he wont be noticed as much and the Cowboys have Henry next year which i'm sure he would love to pair thurston and carney. But if i was carney i would take a massive pay cut and play under either bellamy or bennet at dragons. They would help him off the feild as well. I honestly believe the broncos are going to suffer big time when bennet leaves.
Lachy
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I reckon the panthers now will get him now as wesser is gone.
The Go To Man
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So, on one hand the administrators are complaining about the NRL not fielding its stars.

And on the other hand, they are keeping Justin Hodges on the sidelines for sweet fcuk all and effectively chasing Carney away to another competition/code.

Great stuff.
The Myth
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pete wrote:
It seems weird that he has only been sacked by the Raiders. Nothing has been said about him being deregistered??? The NRL are treating this similar to the AFL with Cousins. I think he will have a good case to play next season with rehab and proves to a court he has helped himself. IMO the clubs most likely to sign him will be Warriors or Cowboys. In Auckland he wont be noticed as much and the Cowboys have Henry next year which i'm sure he would love to pair thurston and carney. But if i was carney i would take a massive pay cut and play under either bellamy or bennet at dragons. They would help him off the feild as well. I honestly believe the broncos are going to suffer big time when bennet leaves.


He is de-registered. Check Fox Sports website
raiderdave
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:26:05 PM
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The Myth wrote:
Gallop has banned him from NRL in 2009, but is powerless to stop him joining any other competition.

Interesting choice of words Mr. Gallop - considering what is going on with Sonny....


ah theres a big difference

Carney's Contract with the Raiders & the NRL is finished
the NRL has said they will register another contract with Todd's name on it in 2009 to play in 2010

I"d doubt the ESL will upset the NRL by registering a contract there

And he is free to sign a LEGAL contract with Rugby.


SBW has not been released & is still contracted to the Bulldogs.
poles apart in cir*****stances.
The Myth
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raiderdave wrote:


ah theres a big difference

Carney's Contract with the Raiders & the NRL is finished
the NRL has said they will register another contract with Todd's name on it in 2009 to play in 2010

I"d doubt the ESL will upset the NRL by registering a contract there

And he is free to sign a LEGAL contract with Rugby.


SBW has not been released & is still contracted to the Bulldogs.
poles apart in cir*****stances.



Yeah I should have been clearer - I meant Gallop mentioning he's "Powerless to stop him" could have been better put...
raiderdave
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:29:09 PM
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The Go To Man wrote:
So, on one hand the administrators are complaining about the NRL not fielding its stars.

And on the other hand, they are keeping Justin Hodges on the sidelines for sweet fcuk all and effectively chasing Carney away to another competition/code.

Great stuff.


So what are you proposing
they allow players to act like d icks & turn a blind eye ?

this isn't the AFL you know !
The Go To Man
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raiderdave wrote:


ah theres a big difference

Carney's Contract with the Raiders & the NRL is finished
the NRL has said they will register another contract with Todd's name on it in 2009 to play in 2010

I"d doubt the ESL will upset the NRL by registering a contract there

And he is free to sign a LEGAL contract with Rugby.


SBW has not been released & is still contracted to the Bulldogs.
poles apart in cir*****stances.


Yeh, the ESL never upset the NRL by signing players they want to keep in the NRL Rolling Eyes

And they never sign our de-registered players like that lowlife from Cronulla Rolling Eyes (Lowlife from Cronulla doesn't actually narrow it down hardly at all, does it? But you know who I mean.)
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Is there a San Francisco team in the American National Rugby League?
40/20
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:32:04 PM
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The Go To Man wrote:
So, on one hand the administrators are complaining about the NRL not fielding its stars.

And on the other hand, they are keeping Justin Hodges on the sidelines for sweet fcuk all and effectively chasing Carney away to another competition/code.

Great stuff.


Chasing Carney away? What, you dont think they have done the right thing by banning him for next year?

So on one hand, you're happy to villify a player that walked out on his club and his teammates, but you think Carney should be given yet another chance? After p1ssing on some dudes head? After driving while disqualified and evading the police? After turning down a perfectly reasonable sanction proposed by his club that wouldve kept him playing next year?

What happened to integrity, honour, loyalty - or are those lofty ideals not valid in this situation?

Shanbon
Posted: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:32:13 PM
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raiderdave wrote:


I don't think its quite the same ...
Tilse was sacked for one indiscretion .... it was quite harsh most thought , & he was barely known at the time , this does make a difference , A Players profile I mean
Not sure about Costigan ... in terms of the cir*****stances of his sacking but I believe it was a drink Driving charge , not the same as Carneys .... Drink Driving Charge followed by a driving without a license ... avoiding police & leaving the scene of a crime. & stories of another dozen things he's done to bring the game into disrepute.

Carney has a long list of incidents ... 4 times as long as the other 2 put together
The NRL has gounds to sit this bloke out ..... I'd doubt the Raiders will have to say much if anything to have the NRL follow up their threat , that if he refused to follow their 5 point plan they'd de register him for one season.

Face it
I'd doubt he'll be playing anywhere else in 09




There have been many more players, these are just 2 examples.

Mitchell Sargent tested positive to Cocain and was sacked, Knights picked him up. Illegal drugs and not deregistered. I feel sorry for Canberra it has come to this but if they stood by him instead of sacking him and gave him another chance now the expect the NRL to dereister him, thats not right. If Carney gets sacked after the first incident, signs for Penrith does it again, gets sacked signs for Manly does it again, gets sacked he is still free to sign for anyone else. So why should this be different. Why hasnt Aruna Tamatu been deregisterd now he has been sacked by 3 clubs?

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The Go To Man wrote:
Is there a San Francisco team in the American National Rugby League?


Nice...... it might take some people a while to get that one....Laughing Laughing
pete
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i didnt know he was deregistered?? I bet his manager will be loving this he can flog him off on a rich one year contract somewhere in europe(league or union) and then there will be a number of clubs over here chasing a quality play maker in the nrl in 2010. This is the best result for carney. he had 2 options

option 1
sit out this season and stay contracted with the raiders

option 2
quit and basically be out for 18 months. meaning he could sign a french union contract today and be playing by the weekend and making more money.

if i was his postion i would go option 2 what does everyone think?
The Myth
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Shanbon wrote:


Why hasnt Aruna Tamatu been deregisterd now he has been sacked by 3 clubs?



Different rules for everyone it seems....
The Go To Man
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40/20 wrote:


Chasing Carney away? What, you dont think they have done the right thing by banning him for next year?

So on one hand, you're happy to villify a player that walked out on his club and his teammates, but you think Carney should be given yet another chance? After p1ssing on some dudes head? After driving while disqualified and evading the police? After turning down a perfectly reasonable sanction proposed by his club that wouldve kept him playing next year?

What happened to integrity, honour, loyalty - or are those lofty ideals not valid in this situation?



I don't know what the answer is. But I don't know that effectively chasing him out of the NRL, possibly permanently, is the answer.
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