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Chief
Posted: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:54:33 AM
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This post is entirely from my opinion, my understanding and my memory. I did no reference checking so if I have got some things wrong, please post and correct me.

Let me first say that I am the Number 1 cycling fan that I know. It is my 2nd fav sport behind AFL, but I love cycling tactics, the teams and the way they push themselves day after day over hills and mountains that some people wouldn’t drive a car.

I am aware that there is obvious drug taking involved by at least some of the peleton. With young gun Ricco testing positive the other day it made me sit up and think. He was apparently on some new generation EPO which WADA don’t even have an effective test for yet. It’s a kind of drug that only has to be taken very infrequently as opposed to standard EPO which I think you have to take most days. He has probably been on this drug for some time and didn’t know there was a test for it.

The thing with this Ricco kid is that he is/was a gun. At only 24 or so, he had a big future. A cyclist’s peak age is from 28 to 32. So he had plenty of time and I feel he would have dominated the sport in years to come, and after his suspension, he probably will.

I’d like to mention 2 other similar cases of amazing athletes who are/were drug takers.
1. Marion Jones
She probably could have won the same amount of medals at the 2000 games because of the way she destroyed the competition.
2. Flo Jo
Now although she never tested positive, she was friends with Ben Johnson, she retired immediately after the introduction of increased testing procedures, and died of a heart seizure which can be attributed to drug use. Her 100m record will never ever be broken, but she would probably still have broken the WR if she wasn’t on drugs.

Unfortunately we will never know the answers to the questions.

The difference with cycling and almost all other sports, is that cycling are actually trying to catch their drug cheats. Last year Rasmussen was only 3 days from winning the tour. He was thrown out by his team because he lied about his whereabouts when he was supposed to have an out of competition test. Just repeat that to yourself. He lied about whereabouts when he was supposed to have an out of competition test. He has never tested positive to a banned substance, but received a suspension anyway.

The best AFL players probably get tested once every 18 months, and not during off season. Cadel Evans will get tested probably 30 times this year. Ben Cousins never tested positive to anything, so how effective must the AFL’s drug testing be? When Akermanis suggested that a player may have taken EPO in the off season, everyone stuck their fingers in their ears “La, la, la, la, I am not listening” For the record I have cousins who are related to Aker and they say that he is complete on-himself tool. Who’d’ve thunk it!

Rugby league went through a great stage of players testing positive in the late 90’s. It no doubt did damage to the image of the game, but strangely no-one has tested positive since, yet the wingers and centres seem too have gotten bigger and faster.

NFL guys that weigh 110kg and run 100m in 10.5 sec.

Tennis matches go for 5 hour, 5 set marathon in a sport that it basically played at a sprint.

The European soccer season goes for 9 months of the year, plus International duties.

I have mates in the Army, and they love drugs including steroids, and so does their sergeant. They are supposed to get randomly drug tested, but they say they have no fear of getting caught because it would be bad PR.

My point is that if these sports wanted to catch drug cheats, they could. But the damage it would do to the sport would not justify the moral high ground.

The ASO, who own the tour de france, don’t seem to care about their PR, because they know that next year there will still be a million people a day lining the streets.

Thankyou for reading. I had to get this off my chest and I feel much better now.

Please feel free to defend the sport you love, as I have here. Even Ivan Malat got a fair trial.
Como_Legend
Posted: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:29:49 AM
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I though A.Schlek looked quite suspicious the way he kept finding that energy to keep driving his brother and that group more and more
usherprince
Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:17:26 PM
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I know personally that a certain representative NRL player has tested positive for recreational drugs and given an in-club warning but they never annonced it for the exact reason you just mentioned, and that was bad PR for the game. This player has been caught twice, and has been told he is on their last chance.

my opinion on drugs in sports (which no one else will probably like)is that everyone is doing it, so i reckon they should legalise it. As long as its not a contact sport, as a game full of steroid munching athletes tackling each other is bound to lead to serious injury.
But in events like cycling and athletics, its not fair on the athletes that do the right thing, while others cheat and get an unfair advantage. So, let them all do it if they like.
I for one would love to see an athlete run under 9 seconds in 100m sprint, and couldn't care less if he's on steroids or not.
chenny
Posted: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:54:46 PM
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usherprince wrote:
I know personally that a certain representative NRL player has tested positive for recreational drugs and given an in-club warning but they never annonced it for the exact reason you just mentioned, and that was bad PR for the game. This player has been caught twice, and has been told he is on their last chance.

my opinion on drugs in sports (which no one else will probably like)is that everyone is doing it, so i reckon they should legalise it. As long as its not a contact sport, as a game full of steroid munching athletes tackling each other is bound to lead to serious injury.
But in events like cycling and athletics, its not fair on the athletes that do the right thing, while others cheat and get an unfair advantage. So, let them all do it if they like.
I for one would love to see an athlete run under 9 seconds in 100m sprint, and couldn't care less if he's on steroids or not.


The problem there, is what message does it send to the younger generation? Whether they like it or not, sportsmen and women will always be role models, and if drugs are legalised, then these young children will grow up thinking that drugs are a perfectly fine thing in life, which will lead to disastrous results.
Chief
Posted: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:30:36 PM
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When the Giro d Italia was on (tour of Italy) the was an Italian guy called Sella, absolutely smashed them up the mountains. He won stages 14, 15 and 20 with solo breaks of 50k's, 14k's and 16k's. At the time I said it was a superhuman effort.

Guess what?

Done for drugs! Same one as Ricco!

These guys thought they had a drug that was indetecable.

I dont think cycling is winning the war on drugs, but they are continually coming up with ammunition to stave off defeat.
waverider125
Posted: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:53:47 AM
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Marion Jones was winning the 100 METRES by 5 metres in 2000 . When the Balco Company was under investigation , Marion Jones started being beaten by 5 metres! I am not sure if she won another major race. The world number 2 at the time Christine Arron spoke about how her carrer was effected. This brings up the fact that drugs can distort results dramatically. In the 72 Olympics both Shane Gould and Raelene Boyle were beaten by East Germans who later admitted they were on State sponsored Drug Scheme{ both sufferred with cancer later on}.
I can see the temptatation especially if you are poor to look for that chemical edge in training to boost performance.
Chief
Posted: Friday, August 22, 2008 7:13:24 PM
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On the plane on the way back from Beijing (ooh yeah i went to the olympics) i watched a doco on the 1970's-80's East Germany Olympians/Drug Takers.

It was organised like clockwork by the leaders of the country. Most of the girls didnt even know they were on it, but it was taboo to ask what these vitamins they were taking were. Some of them were on more than twice as much steroids as Ben Johnson.

A female shotputter had to have a sex change because the testosterone had taken over her body. She married another female athlete who was under the same doping program so happily ever after. Some of the athletes have recieved compo.

I hope, hope, hope that Bolt isnt on the juice, or if he is he doesnt get caught cos he is great to watch.
OldPom
Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2008 7:45:27 PM
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I think the important thing to remember about professional sports people is that they are, when it comes down to it, professional entertainers. If the general public didn't want to watch, there would be no professional sport. If someone chooses to take substances which may ruin their health or even kill them, in private life that is their decision. But a professional sportsman who takes drugs does it in order to perform better and thus to entertain better. To entertain us - you and me. So if we cheerfully accept this, as some people do, we are degrading ouselves.
Chief
Posted: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:43:29 PM
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In an article in the Herald-Sun on Wed, Akermanis said that in 3 visits by drug-testers the same 3 guys had been tested 3 times.

A former tester, who tested mainly league players, has spoken out saying that "random" tests cant be all that random if the same guys are coming up all the time.

At the start of the tour, every competitor is blood tested. It seems the AFL and NRL are not as interested in catching drug cheats.

It's hard to hear alarm bells with your head in the sand.
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