The Sweet Science And UFC are both great. I've Heard The Reason why Boxing Is Going downhill is because people Like "Marvellous" Marvin Had To Defend Their Title Again And Again just to make some decent money. Now They only have to be around for a couple years at the top and there multi millionaires . No need to keep going when you can live the highlife without the hard training and getting smashed . Also I hate The wrestlers in UFC Winning on the ground should be a last resort not a planned thing imo. I am a big fan of The "Real Deal" Amongst Many Many Others I Remember thinking before First Tyson Fight When he was in the Dressing room singing hallelujah type stuff beforehand He Was gonna get bashed to death biggest upset i've seen along with Foreman '94 But I've Heard Larry Holmes Say he's was on Steroids maybe that is another reason why they don't last at the top as long unless they pick their fights so carefully like Mundine and Calzaghe . I think most are these days people like the UFC's Ortiz Have Roid "Jaw".

Whilst im a fan of Boxing i do tend to agree with what your saying to an extent the depth in boxing is quite thin atm. Probably the weakest it has been in a long time....especially when you follow that with what we were blessed with in the 90s. some of the best Holyfield,Lewis,Tyson,Bowe, Jones,Hopkins,Morales, Oscar,Mosley,Trinidad,Chavez,Barrera, to name but a few...the match ups Holyfield vs Bowe. Barrera vs Morales,Oscar Vs Mosley etc....a lot of high quality fights...hard to match that era these days the only standout is Mayweather...number 2 its Calzaghe but he is a distant 2nd because a prime Hopkins and Jones would wipe the floor with him. Boxing does need a new epic rivalry such Holyfield vs Bowe or Barrera vs Morales or even a Gatti vs Ward.
the current heavyweight champion Waldmier would be ripped in half by a prime Holyfield, Lewis and Tyson. He would last 3 rounds with that glass jaw. Lets hope boxing does find some true champions of the sport in the near future. Its no wonder Mayweather retired he has nothing left to prove he has beaten everyone and now only has c grade opponents, what would be his motivation?

I was like you and never gave Hopkins a chance of beating Pavlik (hence why I had $500 on Pavlik). But like you said, Hopkins completely outboxed him in every facet. But your argument that it proves a 'lack of talent' coming through is laughable. You don't reckon it was because Pavlik went up 2 weight divisions?, or because he never fought anyone of the calire & tenaciousness of Hopkins?, or, most importantly, that Hopkins managed to somehow pull out the performance of his distinguished career.

Watching a 40+ legend dominate a guy almost half his age is exactly why boxing is so great.
WTF is with your comparison to a rugby league grand final??? League and boxing have NOTHING in common AT ALL, why you would bring that up is beyond me.

And Lewis/Tua was NOTHING like the Hopkins fight. Pavlik was a top 5 pound-for-pound boxer in the world before the Hopkins fight. Pavlik will go back down to Middleweight (where he should be) and dominant for years to come. Tua was a knockout side-show, has no boxing talent. He did fuck all before the Lewis fight, and has done fuck all since. Meanwhile, Lewis was in the prime of his career, and was odds-on favourite to win the fight. No one gave Hopkins a chance.

When did I critised UFC or MMA?? Quite the opposite, i'm a huge fan of MMA, have trained in it for several years. I merely pointed out the amount of fans out there that quickly loose interest in MMA once it goes to the ground. And if you disagree with this, then you obviously have never been to a live MMA tournament. Go watch a local XFC fight night and watch the amount of groans and booos you get once a fight goes to the ground.

Exactly like kremmen said, I prefer boxing but feel no need whatsoever to bad MMA. I'm sure I could go through a heap of the UFC mainevents and fight what you would call 5 round 'snoozefests'. But thats what you get with boxing & UFC. Unfortunately not every fight can be a Corralles vs Castillo.

Mundine Fight was the Biggest Fight in Australian History...while I serious doubts about the quality of the fighters and (the honestly of the outcome) ... it was a Huge Fight (it was at the SFS) again the match up of A powerful striker V 'skilled' boxer... Same Result Green became a punching bag for 12 rounds... mundine well...if man can hold a world boxing title... That a BIG shame for Boxing.

Lewis/tua was the same... 12 rounds of nothing.

I guess my biggest problem his how they rob the fans, promote these fights as going to be huge... the outcomes are very questionable.

Also MMA has been around just as long as Boxing... if not longer....

But I respect your opinion and the civil manner in which you can discuss this topic in.

Unfortunately the same could be said with UFC. Anderson Silva is carrying UFC at the moment. So using the same argument as you, I guess you could say the UFC is lacking talent atm.

And I agree with you completely about the heavyweight atm. Its a giant shame. Hopefully Klitscko can bring a bit of credibility back. But the real talent at the moment is in the lower weight divisions.

Oh and you're dreaming if you think Money Mayweather is 'retired'!! There's a reason he's called 'Money'. He'll be back


Exactly! Thats the point I was making in the other thread. As a MMA supporter, you obviously get fustrated by those 'fans' who expect to see blood every fight. They don't appreciate the finer art that is MMA. So when you came out and posted that rant about the Hopkins/Pavlik fight, you came across as exactly the same as one of those 'fans'. Yeh there was no KO and it wasn't a close fight, but it was 2 very talented fighters showing off the true art of boxing.



If its so impressive, why the fuck are Liddell, Coulture, Ortiz, Hughes, etc still getting the main event fights? They are the MMA's version of de la Hoya, RJJ...Of course they are past their prime, but they still draw crowds and can still put on a show. I have no interest for Coulture anymore, I wished he'd retire, but he keeps fighting and you can't blame him with the $$ he's getting.

I'll be watching on PPV. I'm a Mundine fan, never missed a fight.

I would punt on it but the only option I can find on Sportingbet is Mundine to win @ 1.04. Wanted to bet on a 4th round knockout

Nope. I vowed never to watch another mundine fight years ago. Not going to make him rich watching him fight potato sacks.

I will watch sakio bika fight manfedo jr (if i can find anywhere that shows it)

or Lovemore Ndou V Clintron on Sky 12:30 sunday.

these fights will actually be a worthwhile contest.

The main problem with boxing in my opinion is that there're too many "world titles" these days. I'd love there to be just one title per division. It's a prime example of money ruining a sport.

I'm no boxing guru but i am just curious, which fighters is it that Mundine is refusing to fight. If my memory serves me most people used to nail him non stop cause he wouldn't fight Green. He did that and won comfortably and basically sent the guy into retirement. So who is it that he is now not willing to fight??

Like i said i don't know much about it so would be curious to know who he is running from and what other fighters in his division are doing and who they are beating over the course of a 36 career fight.

By the by, how did he go tonight?

i didnt even know this was on...