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ifnot4me
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:32:28 PM
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like they did in ireland, england and usa
Nickk
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:34:01 PM
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NatTheRat1 wrote:


heheh. And by the way, mentioned elsewhere, but I had a bad auto accident a week ago today. Wrote off my car and was in hospital. So, lucky for you, once I'm on my feet you won't have to put up with this 'girl's blouse' hanging around the forum quite so much. I'm sure you won't be the only one glad to see me feeling better. Thanks for that mate.


Well hopefully your traveling better after your accident...
And yes, will make many people happy Smile

Also, I will continue to argue with you, cant help it, in my nature...
NatTheRat1
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:36:05 PM
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Nickk wrote:


Well hopefully your traveling better after your accident...
And yes, will make many people happy Smile

Also, I will continue to argue with you, cant help it, in my nature...


No worries mate, I'm enjoyin' it. Smile

Dunno about c.ockbreath though, di.ckwad.
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:37:50 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:
like they did in ireland, england and usa


Football is travelling along quite nicely in Ireland England and USA. Should be able to get a competitive team out of them in 20-25 years. Maybe even 12-15 if we are really lucky.
Nickk
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:39:56 PM
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geelongAREfootball wrote:


Which is why the AFL is spreading the game to South Africa in order for it to be an international sport one day and be in the Olympics


Just take a step at a time mate... first attempt to have them playing Aussie rules in SA...
The Olympics cant even be a dream as its too far fetched...

But tug of war - wtf... only thought that was played in Sydney during the marti gras
ifnot4me
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:41:20 PM
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geelongAREfootball wrote:


Football is travelling along quite nicely in Ireland England and USA. Should be able to get a competitive team out of them in 20-25 years. Maybe even 12-15 if we are really lucky.


now i have to wait even more 20-25 years maybe more



god!!!!
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:42:07 PM
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Nickk wrote:


Just take a step at a time mate... first attempt to have them playing Aussie rules in SA...
The Olympics cant even be a dream as its too far fetched...

But tug of war - wtf... only thought that was played in Sydney during the marti gras


Yeah i know, but one of the achievements of being international is the Olympics.

Tug of war is a traditional sport in some countries.
NatTheRat1
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:43:05 PM
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geelongAREfootball wrote:


Yeah i know, but one of the achievements of being international is the Olympics.

Tug of war is a traditional sport in some countries.


Lichtenstein?
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 8:43:10 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:


now i have to wait even more 20-25 years maybe more



god!!!!



lol ... it will be worth it, trust me Wink
ifnot4me
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:00:18 PM
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http://www.tugofwar-twif.org/?p=clubs&nav=3

Australia
Belgium
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Channel Islands
China
Chinese Taipei
Czech Rublic
England
France
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
India
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Kenya
Korea
Latvia
Lithuania
Macau
Malta
Mauritius
Mongolia
Morocco
Namibia
Nepal
Netherlands
Nigeria
Northern Ireland
Pakistan
Phillippines
Poland
Russia
Scotland
Serbia
Singapore
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
USA
Vietnam
Wales
Zambia


it's a big time sport
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:07:08 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:
http://www.tugofwar-twif.org/?p=clubs&nav=3

Australia
Belgium
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Channel Islands
China
Chinese Taipei
Czech Rublic
England
France
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
India
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Kenya
Korea
Latvia
Lithuania
Macau
Malta
Mauritius
Mongolia
Morocco
Namibia
Nepal
Netherlands
Nigeria
Northern Ireland
Pakistan
Phillippines
Poland
Russia
Scotland
Serbia
Singapore
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
USA
Vietnam
Wales
Zambia


it's a big time sport


Its so simple that all they would need are a few strong people who train just before comps.
NatTheRat1
Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 9:07:59 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:
http://www.tugofwar-twif.org/?p=clubs&nav=3

Australia
Belgium
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Channel Islands
China
Chinese Taipei
Czech Rublic
England
France
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
India
Iran
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Kenya
Korea
Latvia
Lithuania
Macau
Malta
Mauritius
Mongolia
Morocco
Namibia
Nepal
Netherlands
Nigeria
Northern Ireland
Pakistan
Phillippines
Poland
Russia
Scotland
Serbia
Singapore
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Sweden
Switzerland
Turkey
Ukraine
USA
Vietnam
Wales
Zambia


it's a big time sport


Yeah. Fricken huuuuuge!
Thank you Dr E.
Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:33:12 AM
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... that's it ... skrew the Swans ... my new team is the Brisbane Bulldogs!!

http://www.tugofwar-twif.org/?p=clubs&nav=3&country=2

all together now ... PULL!PULL!PULL!Embarassed ... hey Rocky, I think I pulled a rabbit out of my hat! ... no, sorry, it was just a hair out of my arse! Laughing Laughing Laughing
PicaVictrix
Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 9:13:56 AM
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ifnot4me wrote:


where is the article on AFL?

Not sure why that link doesn't work but here's the text of the article anyway, You can search "AFL football" on the website to find it if you need confirmation..

http://www.pretorianews.co.za

Pretoria News wrote:

Top Aussie 'Footy' players come to Centurion
January 30, 2008 Edition 1

Sapa

Two of the leading teams in the Australian Football League, the Carlton Blues and the Freemantle Dockers, will tackle each other at SuperSport Park in Centurion on Saturday in a match that will be televised live on SuperSport 2 from 7.15pm.

This will be the first time that an Aussie Rules match in South Africa will be televised live on local screens.

The Blues and Dockers are two elite AFL teams and this promises to be a fast-paced, highly-skilled, spectacular clash.

Aussie Rules is immensely popular Down Under with six million Australians going through the turnstiles every season to watch AFL matches.

The game attracts some 450 000 fans every week in Australia.

In recent years "footy" - as the game is known in Australia - has grown markedly in South Africa and today the game attracts in excess of 7 500 players and participants in organised school leagues and competitions.

With substantial confirmed commitments from a number of local partners the reach of AFL SA, the national administrative body, is set to increase this year providing more South Africans with access to a spectacular alternative to traditional sporting codes. FootyWild, AFL South Africa's core development programme, targets primary and secondary school pupils and boys and girls aged 8 to 13 years are taught the basic skills of the game.

The Carlton-Freemantle match is being sponsored by the Association for the Reduction of Tobacco-related Harm and tickets are available at Computicket .

The main match will be preceded by a curtain-raiser at 4.30pm between a local youth team and the South African under-19 side.


P.S. lol @ "leading teams"... What? from the rear?
ifnot4me
Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:36:33 AM
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That’s what I’m attempting to get across to people. The lack of impact the game has had in South Africa. Outside of the usual Aussie rules press releases only one article could be found in South Africa’s media. It’s not an easy task bring a new sport into the culture of a community that already have there only sport and events to get excited about. The problem in my opinion is that Aussie rules will find it hard to get the South African community excited about watching the games. I say this because the showpiece they do side over there is more of a side show. This side show has to compete against the traditional sporting events that already capture the harts and mind of the society. Because of this the side show is quickly forgotten if ever in reality noticed.
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:44:01 AM
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ifnot4me wrote:
That’s what I’m attempting to get across to people. The lack of impact the game has had in South Africa. Outside of the usual Aussie rules press releases only one article could be found in South Africa’s media. It’s not an easy task bring a new sport into the culture of a community that already have there only sport and events to get excited about. The problem in my opinion is that Aussie rules will find it hard to get the South African community excited about watching the games. I say this because the showpiece they do side over there is more of a side show. This side show has to compete against the traditional sporting events that already capture the harts and mind of the society. Because of this the side show is quickly forgotten if ever in reality noticed.


Is that what you were trying to say.

I know that it will be hard, and i know that the media will not pick it up really quickly, but i do know that the AFL is focussing on areas with little media, remote indigenous areas. They are building from the ground up.
PicaVictrix
Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:45:16 AM
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ifnot4me wrote:
That’s what I’m attempting to get across to people. The lack of impact the game has had in South Africa. Outside of the usual Aussie rules press releases only one article could be found in South Africa’s media. It’s not an easy task bring a new sport into the culture of a community that already have there only sport and events to get excited about. The problem in my opinion is that Aussie rules will find it hard to get the South African community excited about watching the games. I say this because the showpiece they do side over there is more of a side show. This side show has to compete against the traditional sporting events that already capture the harts and mind of the society. Because of this the side show is quickly forgotten if ever in reality noticed.

Nobody disputes it's a difficult job but the proof is there that it's succeeding. It's early days but the numbers say that there is significant growth. Sure the real test will be in sustaining that growth over a long period but given the stated government position on the game there I'd reckon they are a better than even chance to continue that success.
ossie
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ifnot4me wrote:
That’s what I’m attempting to get across to people. The lack of impact the game has had in South Africa. Outside of the usual Aussie rules press releases only one article could be found in South Africa’s media. It’s not an easy task bring a new sport into the culture of a community that already have there only sport and events to get excited about. The problem in my opinion is that Aussie rules will find it hard to get the South African community excited about watching the games. I say this because the showpiece they do side over there is more of a side show. This side show has to compete against the traditional sporting events that already capture the harts and mind of the society. Because of this the side show is quickly forgotten if ever in reality noticed.


You keep saying "lack of impact ... in Sth Africa", but the fact is that there are over 7500 participants in Aussie Rules now, up from only about 150 or so in 2004. South Africans are, similar to Melburnians, "sports-mad". So, even non-mainstream sports will still attract a following. In Melbourne, Rugby League and soccer still get respectable crowds despite the dominance of Aussie Rules, as does baseball, basketball, hockey, ice hockey, lacrosse, etc etc.
But there are further reasons why Aussie Rules is better positioned to take off in South Africa: Firstly, cricket is huge, and therefore there are plenty of cricket grounds capable of fielding an Aussie Rules game (something that just doesn't exist in say the USA or Europe). Secondly, being in the Southern Hemisphere, their football season is aligned with ours in Australia, so there is a crossover of interest from the AFL to the Sth African competition.
With participation in Aussie Rules growing at the rate of 160% per annum, it has been predicted (and you can dispute this if you like), that there will be over 30,000 Aussie Rules participants in Sth Africa by 2010. This is equivalent to the number of Aussie Rules participants currently in Tasmania, (and they are AFL-mad in Tasmania!). So, it's not inconceivable that there will be one or two senior AFL players from Sth Africa in the near future, boosting the game's stocks further.
Finally, the population of Sth Africa is about 50 million (twice that of Australia), so potential TV rights will be big business in future.
ifnot4me
Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 11:44:05 AM
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[quote=ossie]

You keep saying "lack of impact ... in Sth Africa", but the fact is that there are over 7500 participants in Aussie Rules now, up from only about 150 or so in 2004.

use but this is only because there running more programs. the number is not a refection of regested players. growing up here in Austrlia of a kid you would have participanted in a lot of different sports too. do you get where im going with this

South Africans are, similar to Melburnians, "sports-mad". So, even non-mainstream sports will still attract a following. In Melbourne, Rugby League and soccer still get respectable crowds despite the dominance of Aussie Rules, as does baseball, basketball, hockey, ice hockey, lacrosse, etc etc.

Yes but most countries are sports mad. What you have to understand is there was already an interest in sports like football and rugby in Victoria that’s why they have been able to grow.

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use but this is only because there running more programs. the number is not a refection of regested players. growing up here in Austrlia of a kid you would have participanted in a lot of different sports too. do you get where im going with this
...

Yes but most countries are sports mad. What you have to understand is there was already an interest in sports like football and rugby in Victoria that’s why they have been able to grow.



I agree the number is not a "reflection" of registered players, it is the actual number of registered players!

... and now there is an interest in Aussie Rules in Sth Africa, and it is growing ... the point I am trying to make ... do you now concede that this is a fact?
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