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It's just my opinion but frankly I'd be surprised (if pleasantly) if Aussie rules ever made it big time as an international sport. The fact is that the money available to Soccer, Basketball, Gridiron etc means that those sports would hardly be likely to take any threat from a minnow sport like Aussie rules lying down. As big as it is here it really would struggle to compete at international level. Hope I'm wrong but I just can't see it unfortunately.
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PicaVictrix wrote:It's just my opinion but frankly I'd be surprised (if pleasantly) if Aussie rules ever made it big time as an international sport. The fact is that the money available to Soccer, Basketball, Gridiron etc means that those sports would hardly be likely to take any threat from a minnow sport like Aussie rules lying down. As big as it is here it really would struggle to compete at international level. Hope I'm wrong but I just can't see it unfortunately. It will take many years just to gain a foothold beyond expats in terms of overseas leagues, but in terms of talent base, you could easily see players from South Africa running around in reserve grade and even as rookies for AFl teams in the next 5 - 8 years. Beyond that , who knows. The AFL as the premier comp will be the beneficiary, overseas leagues of good quality and thus international Rep teams are decades away. Soon though you could have South Africans joining the growing number of Irish and PNG players with AFL teams.
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The AFL is spending a lot of money on developing youths in the disadvantaged areas of SA. By 2009 there will be 30,000 participants in the footywild program and in teams.
This is a prediction not a fact.
Soccer sweeps thorugh in 2010 and takes about 5000 of these numbers as they will primarily focus on the white upper class areas.
This is a prediction not a fact.
30, 000 is about the same as Tassie i think. They have two very good leagues set up there. Same can be done in SA. The game will grow in these indigenous areas and the white SA will also embrace when the game is televised on tv as they may see it as a compromise between white rugby and black soccer.
This is a prediction not a fact.
The SA will get a team in the WAFL which will significantly help growth. Dont knwo when though.
Getting further ahead. The SAAFL will probably spread from SA to other countries in Africa, and create a strong African competition. From there i dont know. Thats a very general straight to the point realistic view.
This is a prediction not a fact.
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ifnot4me wrote:
The AFL is spending a lot of money on developing youths in the disadvantaged areas of SA. By 2009 there will be 30,000 participants in the footywild program and in teams.
This is a prediction not a fact.
Soccer sweeps thorugh in 2010 and takes about 5000 of these numbers as they will primarily focus on the white upper class areas.
This is a prediction not a fact.
30, 000 is about the same as Tassie i think. They have two very good leagues set up there. Same can be done in SA. The game will grow in these indigenous areas and the white SA will also embrace when the game is televised on tv as they may see it as a compromise between white rugby and black soccer.
This is a prediction not a fact.
The SA will get a team in the WAFL which will significantly help growth. Dont knwo when though.
Getting further ahead. The SAAFL will probably spread from SA to other countries in Africa, and create a strong African competition. From there i dont know. Thats a very general straight to the point realistic view.
This is a prediction not a fact.
no. Its a discussion about the AFL and the early stages of taking the game to South Africa.
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Redb# wrote:
no.
Its a discussion about the AFL and the early stages of taking the game to South Africa.
Redb No his making naïve predictions based on no factually information
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Now let me make a prediction
FIFA awards the biggest sporting event “The World Cup” to Australia in 2030. The Australian Government has invested quite heavily in getting the world greatest event to be staged here. They spent record amounts of money upgrading the stadium to meet with FIFA regulations and now very much of the old oval have been transformed into state-of-the-art rectangular stadiums. This has meant the AFL clubs have had to more the games to smaller venues around Australia as the government is not prepared to compromise putting on a great show for the world. Now Football and the FFA sit on top the sporting landscape of our great country as the National team brings home the world cup for the first time.
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Thank you Dr E. wrote:... speaking RL anyone see the NRL launch their 100 yrs celebration last week, with 400 players , merchandise , cheer squads , etc at stadium Australia ... they were catering for 20,000 fans ... from what I saw there were more players than fans! ... you would get more at a Swan's training! ... very limited coverage ... how embarrassing!!  they got over 25,000 registrations ( which they capped at 25,000!!) 18,000 turned up on the day in pretty wet miserable weather as you said the coverage was limited so thats not too bad........ no embarrassment here !
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NatTheRat1 wrote:
Right. So matching the crowd numbers from a few of the RL games from last season is disappointing, eh? Even despite the weather!
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no thats a NAB match at Manuka oval in Canberra....not an NRL game !
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ifnot4me wrote:
The AFL is spending a lot of money on developing youths in the disadvantaged areas of SA. By 2009 there will be 30,000 participants in the footywild program and in teams.
This is a prediction not a fact.
Soccer sweeps thorugh in 2010 and takes about 5000 of these numbers as they will primarily focus on the white upper class areas.
This is a prediction not a fact.
30, 000 is about the same as Tassie i think. They have two very good leagues set up there. Same can be done in SA. The game will grow in these indigenous areas and the white SA will also embrace when the game is televised on tv as they may see it as a compromise between white rugby and black soccer.
This is a prediction not a fact.
The SA will get a team in the WAFL which will significantly help growth. Dont knwo when though.
Getting further ahead. The SAAFL will probably spread from SA to other countries in Africa, and create a strong African competition. From there i dont know. Thats a very general straight to the point realistic view.
This is a prediction not a fact.
The idea was to make a realistic prediction. If the future was based on the facts of today it would be a very boring place. ifnot4me wrote:Now let me make a prediction
FIFA awards the biggest sporting event “The World Cup” to Australia in 2030. The Australian Government has invested quite heavily in getting the world greatest event to be staged here. They spent record amounts of money upgrading the stadium to meet with FIFA regulations and now very much of the old oval have been transformed into state-of-the-art rectangular stadiums. This has meant the AFL clubs have had to more the games to smaller venues around Australia as the government is not prepared to compromise putting on a great show for the world. Now Football and the FFA sit on top the sporting landscape of our great country as the National team brings home the world cup for the first time.
In my view that is not realistic, as the AFL, national cricket team, and state cricket teams all use the ovals in their competition. May i ask why you have a great want to stop football being number 1 in Australia, and spreading to other countries. Or if you dont mind football spreading overseas, where do you suggest that they focus on, seeing as though you believe that South Africa will fail (an understandable prediction). Other countries which have been suggested include, Argentina, USA, Ireland, England, Vietnam, India, and China just to name a few.
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but would you compromise the worlds biggest sporting event, which is watched by billions of people and gets millions to the country, just because games like cricket and afl wouldnt be happy?
AFL and cricket have hardly enough support to even think about investments to cater for the world cup. It has no presence in europe, none in north america and none in asia, none in south america...theres four-five billion people allready who have never even heard about it
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del_horno15 wrote:but would you compromise the worlds biggest sporting event, which is watched by billions of people and gets millions to the country, just because games like cricket and afl wouldnt be happy?
AFL and cricket have hardly enough support to even think about investments to cater for the world cup. It has no presence in europe, none in north america and none in asia, none in south america...theres four-five billion people allready who have never even heard about it There was an interesting discussion about this at bigfooty (cant find the thread). Just a quick note though, for the areas above, for football yes you are correct, for cricket you are wrong. Another, the Olympics is bigger than the soccer world cup. ifnot4me was suggesting that they permanetly change the stadiums. If you want to discuss the soccer WC in Australia and its effects on football and cricket then please feel free to start another thread.
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Because of Prejudice against football (soccer) in the media like the herald sun and ABC. I don’t think it’s necessary for AFL commentators to rubbish other codes like they have a tendency to do.
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ifnot4me wrote:Because of predigest against football (soccer) in the media like the herald sun and ABC. I don’t think it’s necessary for AFL commentators to rubbish other codes like they have a tendency to do. How does the ABC have predjudice? Go to ABC.net.au. Can we please keep this on topic.
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"The idea was to make a realistic prediction"
Ok back on the topic. Your ideas are in no way more realistic then mine. There just conclusion you are manufacturing to suite your claims that South Africans will take to game. And there has been no real evidence to validate your claims. All you are doing is posting bias information from sources that have an interest in the games expansion. Can you found me a source that doesn’t have an affiliation with Aussie rules that shares the same outlook in the prospect of the sport in South Africa?
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ifnot4me wrote:Now let me make a prediction
FIFA awards the biggest sporting event “The World Cup” to Australia in 2030. The Australian Government has invested quite heavily in getting the world greatest event to be staged here. They spent record amounts of money upgrading the stadium to meet with FIFA regulations and now very much of the old oval have been transformed into state-of-the-art rectangular stadiums. This has meant the AFL clubs have had to more the games to smaller venues around Australia as the government is not prepared to compromise putting on a great show for the world. Now Football and the FFA sit on top the sporting landscape of our great country as the National team brings home the world cup for the first time.
Why would they need to change the layout of the MCG, soccer pitches can and already do fit inside the great arena. The AFL would retain its premier stadium and there is no reason why Aussie Rules would be any less spectacular to see live than soccer in another 20 years, which I'm afraid (crowd atmosphere aside) is no match for Aussie Rules. The MCG got big becuase of AFL, not the other way around. 20 years isn't going to change that. Both the AFL and NRL would (and should) need to reschedule matches for a two month period to accomodate the Soccer World Cup, its a 1 in 100 year event for Australia to host. It would be extremely unlikely that AFL would be permanently relegated to 2nd tier grounds. Its highly likely that the second class A League would however remain in Summer and at small to medium size stadiums for the foreseeable future and is more a threat to cricket scheduling than the AFL.
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Redb# wrote:
Why would they need to change the layout of the MCG, soccer pitches can and do fit already fit inside the great arena. The AFL would retain its premier stadium and there is no reason why Aussie Rules would be any less spectacular to see live than soccer in another 20 years, which I'm afraid (crowd atmosphere aside) is no match for Aussie Rules. The MCG got big becuase of AFL, not the other way around. 20 years isn't going to change that.
Both the AFL and NRL would (and should) need to reschedule matches for a two month period to accomodate the Soccer World Cup, its a 1 in 100 year event for Australia to host. It would be extremely unlikely that AFL would be permanently relegated to 2nd tier grounds. Its highly likely that the second class A League would however remain in Summer and at small to medium size stadiums for the foreseeable future and is more a threat to cricket scheduling than the AFL.
Redb
Agreed. By 2030 there will be new high-capacity AFL stadiums in WA and on the Gold Coast as well as regular fixtures at Homebush. Maybe others. If they need to tweak the AFL fixture to accomodate a few games of soccer I'm sure they'll manage.
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ifnot4me wrote:Can you found me a source that doesn’t have an affiliation with Aussie rules that shares the same outlook in the prospect of the sport in South Africa? Ill give it a go, but as the puch to SA is still in its infant it will be pretty hard.
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5th paragraph down, talking about how football can bridge the divide, and in parts talks about how its similar to both soccer and rugby: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1040220,00.html This one talks about the addition of the sport to the North West academy of sport http://www.info.gov.za/speeches/2003/03031212461002.htmgrowth http://www.123exp-geography.com/t/18621514583/
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geelongAREfootball wrote:
Ill give it a go, but as the puch to SA is still in its infant it will be pretty hard.
they did just play a game there
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ifnot4me wrote:"The idea was to make a realistic prediction"
Ok back on the topic. Your ideas are in no way more realistic then mine. There just conclusion you are manufacturing to suite your claims that South Africans will take to game. And there has been no real evidence to validate your claims. All you are doing is posting bias information from sources that have an interest in the games expansion. Can you found me a source that doesn’t have an affiliation with Aussie rules that shares the same outlook in the prospect of the sport in South Africa? AFL South Africa (the governing body for the game in SA) had in 2004, 160 senior and 540 junior players. By 2006, this number had grown to over 3000. I think this is indisputable evidence that the game is growing there.
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