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NatTheRat1 wrote:
Nickk, Nickk, Nickk... Please point out where anyone has ever tried to argue for or against the statements I have highlighted. Then we'll have a little talk.
Oh yes dad... lets please have that talk....
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Nickk wrote:
It's not all just based on the Irish Series... As I've pointed out previously, Aussie Rules needs to get its act together here prior to thinking it can make it big in another country... It is more silly that the AFL ignores problems that exist in the game...
As for the different codes thing, I know aussie rules will never be bigger than soccer.. It's just stupid how some people (geelong girl) believe that soccer riots have anything to do with AFL in SA...
The reference to the riots was a 'hypothetical situation'. No one was trying to 'drag anything down' or upset anyone. I had previously said, 'a whole bunch of dominoes need to fall' etc etc. gAf was simply having a lash at showing what kinds of things might have to happen. God mate, it was totally obvious that it was tongue in cheek. To take it seriously, AND call someone a 'complete idiot' over it, is about as immature a response as you could have given. And it was the second time you'd 'had a go'. You can't seriously argue that the AFL has any 'more' problems than any other code in the country on a per capita/senior level involvement basis. And you can't argue that the AFL doesn't have the time, money and resources to make a bit of a sortie into South Africa. You are kidding yourself if you think the AFL is in such bad shape, mate. Everyone knows there are problems. And I'm sure we all hope they are being addressed. But the AFL IS able to do two things at once. No one here (who is over 12) has suggested that AFL is going to 'take over the world' or 'be bigger than soccer'. You brought that up as if it was some sort of fact! No one here is even suggesting AFL might knock off a dominant sport in another country! So it might be an idea to pull your head in and read the actual thread instead of seeing red over two or three words that aren't even together in a sentence. Right son? Now time for beddy-byes.
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NatTheRat1 wrote:
The reference to the riots was a 'hypothetical situation'. No one was trying to 'drag anything down' or upset anyone. I had previously said, 'a whole bunch of dominoes need to fall' etc etc. gAf was simply having a lash at showing what kinds of things might have to happen. God mate, it was totally obvious that it was tongue in cheek. To take it seriously, AND call someone a 'complete idiot' over it, is about as immature a response as you could have given. And it was the second time you'd 'had a go'.
You can't seriously argue that the AFL has any 'more' problems than any other code in the country on a per capita/senior level involvement basis. And you can't argue that the AFL doesn't have the time, money and resources to make a bit of a sortie into South Africa. You are kidding yourself if you think the AFL is in such bad shape, mate. Everyone knows there are problems. And I'm sure we all hope they are being addressed. But the AFL IS able to do two things at once.
No one here (who is over 12) has suggested that AFL is going to 'take over the world' or 'be bigger than soccer'. You brought that up as if it was some sort of fact! No one here is even suggesting AFL might knock off a dominant sport in another country! So it might be an idea to pull your head in and read the actual thread instead of seeing red over two or three words that aren't even together in a sentence.
Right son? Now time for beddy-byes.
I reckon it will be an international sport, but that involves a lot of cards being played right and will take about 30 years.
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It was an international sport before WW1. Nickk wrote:
You are a complete idiot.... what's Italian soccer riots got to do with AFL trying to introduce aussie rules to South Africa... (stop trying to bring other sports down just b/c the sport you may like is less superior)... It will fail just like the experiment with the Irish b/c AFL will never be big outside of Australia... That's just something you will have to get used to b/c it seems that you believe it will soon be the biggest sport in the world... no chance of that ever happening (no crystal balls required)...
You are calling ME the idiot. Maybe you should learn to read and you will be able to comprehend the fact that i was pointing out that the future can be predicted by certain events, and that they can be triggered by events of today. The 'banning of soccer in italy' is one hypothetical situation that could occur in the future. I believe it will soon be the biggest sport in the world???? hahahaha....heres another hypothetical situation, again it is a hypothetical situation, NOT something i actually believe WILL happen. It is hypothetical: By 2070, Australian football had developed strong professional leagues across the world with the current strong leagues being in Australia, South Africa, Ireland, England, the USA and Aregentina. 2015 had brought huge progress to Australias indigenous game with the wide spread use of internet broadcasted tv quickly spreading the game throughout the world. In the 20 years after, every country in the world developed a league and the game quickly overtook the rugby codes in popularity. Schools were using it to teach the students not suited to soccer how to participate in sport, and by 2058 was soon challenging soccer on tv, while still a minor participation sport. Australia lost its first international game in 2018 by 4 goals to a gallant Ireland, and were beaten soon after by the USA and SA. The first three world cups saw Australia win, but they didnt make the GF in 2035.
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The AFL is right to expand the game on an international level. There are more hard yards ahead in NSW and QLD as entrenched codes are hard to budge, its takes a generation. in the meantime , soccer is making a better fist of national popularity, we will see some losses in athletic ranks in traditional markets like Vic, Sa and WA. By going to South Africa there is less entrenchment amongst the locals and in some cases no other codes offering opportunities, by expanding the talent base and thinking 10 or 20 years down the track the AFL's stategy is sound. If you look at Irish kids playing in the AFL now compared to the odd player ten years ago, there will be a growing number that will come into the game in the next 5 - 10 years.
Talk of world domination for Aussie Rules is silly and I honestly dont give a fig about soccer's world wide status, its just means they have a simple game that has been brought to the world by European migration, it does make it a better game and any argument that uses the 'world game' stategem is flawed. that's not to say soccer or rugby do not provide good football entertainment just like AFL, but it has more to do with European migration and expats in the millions spreading those games around the globe. . If you look at the small base of southern origin Australian expats and the 12-15 international leagues , its a remarkable effort in the last ten years.
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Redb# wrote: that has been brought to the world by European migration This is why it won't work there no really relationship between the game and the lives of South African society. You can try force feed them all you like the fact of the matter is that other sport codes play a much bigger influence in there culture.
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joke of the year: afl supporters think aussie rules wil be an international sport hahahahahahahaha LOL
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It's really taking off! Quote:http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23153826-5006065,00.html
Struggling for support
By Damian Barrett in Pretoria
February 04, 2008 12:00am
THE AFL continued its venture into South Africa yesterday and had to endure lightning strikes, a small ground and an equally small crowd who believed they were watching a match of "Australian rugby".
But the practice match between Carlton and Fremantle went ahead in Pretoria in front of a disappointing 3500 spectators.
So hard is it to sell the sport in South Africa that the AFL's Kevin Sheehan tried to educate the gathering by using the PA system to highlight certain rules in the first half.
Despite his best intentions, Sheehan had no impact and abandoned the microphone after halftime.
The match itself was in danger of being abandoned because of nearby lightning strikes, but eventually was reduced to four 20-minute quarters.
Because of the small size of the playing oval, teams were allowed to field just 16 players at a time.
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geelongAREfootball wrote:
You are calling ME the idiot. Maybe you should learn to read and you will be able to comprehend the fact that i was pointing out that the future can be predicted by certain events, and that they can be triggered by events of today. The 'banning of soccer in italy' is one hypothetical situation that could occur in the future. I believe it will soon be the biggest sport in the world???? hahahaha....heres another hypothetical situation, again it is a hypothetical situation, NOT something i actually believe WILL happen. It is hypothetical:
By 2070, Australian football had developed strong professional leagues across the world with the current strong leagues being in Australia, South Africa, Ireland, England, the USA and Aregentina. 2015 had brought huge progress to Australias indigenous game with the wide spread use of internet broadcasted tv quickly spreading the game throughout the world. In the 20 years after, every country in the world developed a league and the game quickly overtook the rugby codes in popularity. Schools were using it to teach the students not suited to soccer how to participate in sport, and by 2058 was soon challenging soccer on tv, while still a minor participation sport. Australia lost its first international game in 2018 by 4 goals to a gallant Ireland, and were beaten soon after by the USA and SA. The first three world cups saw Australia win, but they didnt make the GF in 2035.
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. wrote:http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23153826-5006065,00.html
Struggling for support
By Damian Barrett in Pretoria
February 04, 2008 12:00am
THE AFL continued its venture into South Africa yesterday and had to endure lightning strikes, a small ground and an equally small crowd who believed they were watching a match of "Australian rugby".
But the practice match between Carlton and Fremantle went ahead in Pretoria in front of a disappointing 3500 spectators.
So hard is it to sell the sport in South Africa that the AFL's Kevin Sheehan tried to educate the gathering by using the PA system to highlight certain rules in the first half.
Despite his best intentions, Sheehan had no impact and abandoned the microphone after halftime.
The match itself was in danger of being abandoned because of nearby lightning strikes, but eventually was reduced to four 20-minute quarters.
Because of the small size of the playing oval, teams were allowed to field just 16 players at a time.
Right. So matching the crowd numbers from a few of the RL games from last season is disappointing, eh? Even despite the weather! heheh
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... speaking RL anyone see the NRL launch their 100 yrs celebration last week, with 400 players , merchandise , cheer squads , etc at stadium Australia ... they were catering for 20,000 fans ... from what I saw there were more players than fans! ... you would get more at a Swan's training! ... very limited coverage ... how embarrassing!!
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NatTheRat1 wrote:
Right. So matching the crowd numbers from a few of the RL games from last season is disappointing, eh? Even despite the weather!
heheh
So, I see 3500 spectators... not bad at all... far from the 30,000 the AFL has predicted for 2009... spectators also thought they were watching another code !?!? Time to stop being hypothetical and start being more realistic... Im sure that 'geelongAREfootball' also thinks his actually with a woman when Miss Palmer and the five daughters visit...
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Thank you Dr E. wrote:... speaking RL anyone see the NRL launch their 100 yrs celebration last week, with 400 players , merchandise , cheer squads , etc at stadium Australia ... they were catering for 20,000 fans ... from what I saw there were more players than fans! ... you would get more at a Swan's training! ... very limited coverage ... how embarrassing!! They actually got a crowd of approx 15,000 attend.... 400 is not more than 15,000 (in case you didn't know)...
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Nickk wrote:
So, I see 3500 spectators... not bad at all... far from the 30,000 the AFL has predicted for 2009... spectators also thought they were watching another code !?!? Time to stop being hypothetical and start being more realistic... Im sure that 'geelongAREfootball' also thinks his actually with a woman when Miss Palmer and the five daughters visit...
Realistically: Football has already cemented its position firmly as the number one code in Australia. Now for SA. The AFL is spending a lot of money on developing youths in the disadvantaged areas of SA. By 2009 there will be 30,000 participants in the footywild program and in teams. Soccer sweeps thorugh in 2010 and takes about 5000 of these numbers as they will primarily focus on the white upper class areas. 30, 000 is about the same as Tassie i think. They have two very good leagues set up there. Same can be done in SA. The game will grow in these indigenous areas and the white SA will also embrace when the game is televised on tv as they may see it as a compromise between white rugby and black soccer. The SA will get a team in the WAFL which will significantly help growth. Dont knwo when though. Getting further ahead. The SAAFL will probably spread from SA to other countries in Africa, and create a strong African competition. From there i dont know. Thats a very general straight to the point realistic view.
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geelongAREfootball wrote:
Realistically: Football has already cemented its position firmly as the number one code in Australia. Now for SA.
The AFL is spending a lot of money on developing youths in the disadvantaged areas of SA. By 2009 there will be 30,000 participants in the footywild program and in teams. Soccer sweeps thorugh in 2010 and takes about 5000 of these numbers as they will primarily focus on the white upper class areas. 30, 000 is about the same as Tassie i think. They have two very good leagues set up there. Same can be done in SA. The game will grow in these indigenous areas and the white SA will also embrace when the game is televised on tv as they may see it as a compromise between white rugby and black soccer. The SA will get a team in the WAFL which will significantly help growth. Dont knwo when though. Getting further ahead. The SAAFL will probably spread from SA to other countries in Africa, and create a strong African competition. From there i dont know. Thats a very general straight to the point realistic view.
it'd be great.
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geelongAREfootball wrote:
Realistically: Football has already cemented its position firmly as the number one code in Australia. Now for SA.
The AFL is spending a lot of money on developing youths in the disadvantaged areas of SA. By 2009 there will be 30,000 participants in the footywild program and in teams. Soccer sweeps thorugh in 2010 and takes about 5000 of these numbers as they will primarily focus on the white upper class areas. 30, 000 is about the same as Tassie i think. They have two very good leagues set up there. Same can be done in SA. The game will grow in these indigenous areas and the white SA will also embrace when the game is televised on tv as they may see it as a compromise between white rugby and black soccer. The SA will get a team in the WAFL which will significantly help growth. Dont knwo when though. Getting further ahead. The SAAFL will probably spread from SA to other countries in Africa, and create a strong African competition. From there i dont know. Thats a very general straight to the point realistic view.
That's being more realistic... I cant see it happening though but thats just my point of view... Hopefully your right and the AFL can grow (in SA) which in turn will hopefully make the AFL look at the problems it has here and make the league a professional product (as mentioned previously, each team playing each other home & away etc)... We will have to wait and see...
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Nickk wrote:
They actually got a crowd of approx 15,000 attend.... 400 is not more than 15,000 (in case you didn't know)...
yeeees, that's right, it's less than 1,000 fans for each team, in their major market place, celebrating 100 years!!! ... whilst you point out that 3,500 to see two teams they do not know is "dissapointing"? ... it's not that bad!
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ifnot4me wrote:
This is why it won't work there no really relationship between the game and the lives of South African society. You can try force feed them all you like the fact of the matter is that other sport codes play a much bigger influence in there culture.
The point is that much of South Africa does not have an entrenched football code and the AFL are taking the game at junior level to these areas. The AFL only needs 1 out of 100 out of the 40 odd million and its swelled its talent base and spectator interest. But then again no matter what I say, it wont make a difference, So why dont you go and play somewhere else, you know in a sport you're interested in.
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t_dogga#11 wrote:joke of the year: afl supporters think aussie rules wil be an international sport hahahahahahahaha LOL is it painful to live in the AFL's shadow in Australia?
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NatTheRat1 wrote:
Right. So matching the crowd numbers from a few of the RL games from last season is disappointing, eh? Even despite the weather!
heheh
the weather is the first thing Sydney people (in particular) claim as the reason people didn't turn up. They do this is the soccer as well. or it was a good beach day...heheheh...either way they've got a ready made excuse.
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