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ifnot4me
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:48:38 PM
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Sorry for the typing error.

I just find it funny how when someone raises a good argument on this forum there are two typical reactions: one doesn’t reply as ran away or reverts to personally insults. My last point on the subject has had this reaction.
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:54:15 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:
Sorry for the typing error.

I just find it funny how when someone raises a good argument on this forum there are two typical reactions: one doesn’t reply as ran away or reverts to personally insults. My last point on the subject has had this reaction.


What was the last good argument you had, and i will kindly respond to it.
ossie
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:56:17 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:
Sorry for the typing error.

I just find it funny how when someone raises a good argument on this forum there are two typical reactions: one doesn’t reply as ran away or reverts to personally insults. My last point on the subject has had this reaction.


It's hardly surprising when every time someone here has presented a good argument to refute your claims you have either rejected it out of hand or ignored it without presenting any contrary evidence yourself. You keep making the same false claim. You keep being corrected, then you come back and say the same thing again! It's tiresome.
ifnot4me
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:11:29 PM
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geelongAREfootball wrote:


What was the last good argument you had, and i will kindly respond to it.


Here something to consider, just a scenario:

FootyWild organise several clinics to demonstrate the game in an area (lets say 5 for this example). Now the go to a school with 100 pupils, after the 5 clinics there has been 500 students participated in the program even though the school has only 100 pupils.
See how easy it is to manipulate statistics
ossie
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:15:43 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:


Here something to consider, just a scenario:

FootyWild organise several clinics to demonstrate the game in an area (lets say 5 for this example). Now the go to a school with 100 pupils, after the 5 clinics there has been 500 students participated in the program even though the school has only 100 pupils.
See how easy it is to manipulate statistics


Have you any evidence to suggest that happens? The figure of 7500 AFLSA participants which you keep rejecting is the number of registered participants. If you want to suggest that AFLSA falsify its records, that's fine, but not many people are likely to accept that as a fact on your say so.
NatTheRat1
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:28:49 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:


Here something to consider, just a scenario:

FootyWild organise several clinics to demonstrate the game in an area (lets say 5 for this example). Now the go to a school with 100 pupils, after the 5 clinics there has been 500 students participated in the program even though the school has only 100 pupils.
See how easy it is to manipulate statistics


same rubbish presented and refuted earlier.

and listen nutbag, I didn't 'run away', I got bored of debating with an idiot

Can't blame me for that
ifnot4me
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:45:03 PM
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Have you any evidence to suggest that happens? The figure of 7500 AFLSA participants which you keep rejecting is the number of registered participants. If you want to suggest that AFLSA falsify its records, that's fine, but not many people are likely to accept that as a fact on your say so.


Take a look at the AFLSA web site the clubs listed are: Vryburg, Ventersdorp, Ramatlabama / Tsetse, Mafikeng, Lomanyaneng, Itsoseng, Gopane, Christiana, Eldorado Park and Pretoria. That 10 clubs which means each club has 750 players on there books. Does this sound realistic to you?
ossie
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Take a look at the AFLSA web site the clubs listed are: Vryburg, Ventersdorp, Ramatlabama / Tsetse, Mafikeng, Lomanyaneng, Itsoseng, Gopane, Christiana, Eldorado Park and Pretoria. That 10 clubs which means each club has 750 players on there books. Does this sound realistic to you?


Footywild.
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 6:32:19 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:


Here something to consider, just a scenario:

FootyWild organise several clinics to demonstrate the game in an area (lets say 5 for this example). Now the go to a school with 100 pupils, after the 5 clinics there has been 500 students participated in the program even though the school has only 100 pupils.
See how easy it is to manipulate statistics


They use the same technique as AusKick i would presume. Only registered players are counted.
I skipped over that statement because i thought you would have recognised it was foolish after it was posted, and i didnt want to embarass (for lack of better word) you for bringing it up.
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:56:33 AM
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ifnot4me wrote:


Take a look at the AFLSA web site the clubs listed are: Vryburg, Ventersdorp, Ramatlabama / Tsetse, Mafikeng, Lomanyaneng, Itsoseng, Gopane, Christiana, Eldorado Park and Pretoria. That 10 clubs which means each club has 750 players on there books. Does this sound realistic to you?


I hear theres a few conspiracy theories on the soccer forum, why don't you, you know, go and investigate. Doubt
ifnot4me
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:34:08 PM
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geelongAREfootball wrote:


They use the same technique as AusKick i would presume. Only registered players are counted.
I skipped over that statement because i thought you would have recognised it was foolish after it was posted, and i didnt want to embarass (for lack of better word) you for bringing it up.


I’ve been attempting to find out more information about footywild. Yes I know it’s a program similar to Auskick. But I’m interested to see what the schedule is like. Do the school kids have to register to participate or is it just an additional activity the school provides it students? Is the program operated throughout the year or just a couple of seminars before moving on to the next school?

None of this information is in the articles you have linked to the thread. There just full of figures that can mean anything when put out of contexts.
ossie
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:07:50 PM
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I’ve been attempting to find out more information about footywild. Yes I know it’s a program similar to Auskick. But I’m interested to see what the schedule is like. Do the school kids have to register to participate or is it just an additional activity the school provides it students? Is the program operated throughout the year or just a couple of seminars before moving on to the next school?

None of this information is in the articles you have linked to the thread. There just full of figures that can mean anything when put out of contexts.


It's not that hard to find out this stuff if you try. It's a regular weekly program similar to Auskick. It runs for six weeks at a time. It is promoted in schools (it is aimed at schoolkids!), like Auskick, but run seperately and independently. It's run out of normal school hours. I would imagine some FootyWild is run on school cricket grounds (like Auskick), but not exclusively. Try this link


ifnot4me
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So after six sessions assuming it’s one a week they move to the next school. Then what happen to the kids? How are they going to stay interested in the game?
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:40:36 PM
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ifnot4me wrote:
So after six sessions assuming it’s one a week they move to the next school. Then what happen to the kids? How are they going to stay interested in the game?


No it runs in "seasons" like Auskick. They do six-week programs all around the country at the same time, then have a break, then they do another six-week program, and so on ... like school terms. Then they have summer and cricket season. Then they can come back the next year and participate in an older age bracket. Kids have short attention spans so you can't run it week-in, week-out. It's not like there is only one travelling program. Programs run all around the country.
ifnot4me
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:00:28 PM
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No it runs in "seasons" like Auskick. They do six-week programs all around the country at the same time, then have a break, then they do another six-week program, and so on ... like school terms. Then they have summer and cricket season. Then they can come back the next year and participate in an older age bracket. Kids have short attention spans so you can't run it week-in, week-out. It's not like there is only one travelling program. Programs run all around the country.


sorry the link didn't work so i couldn't read it
ossie
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sorry the link didn't work so i couldn't read it


Sorry, possible typo - try it now. Try this link

ifnot4me
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:24:45 PM
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ossie wrote:


Sorry, possible typo - try it now. Try this link



here something interesting

http://www.afl.com.au/Portals/0/afl_docs/2007_International_Census_Sheet_240807.pdf
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:58:20 PM
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Whoa its played in a lot more countries than i thought. Although the good thing is is that a lot of the countries i have read about have only recently started football, and pretty much all of them have only recently started getting regular funding from the AFL.
worldfootynews.com did a census as well, its on their site somewhere.
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:10:48 PM
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ifnot4me
Posted: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:48:25 PM
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http://aflsouthafrica.wordpress.com/2007/07/02/costa-logistics-launch-footywild-in-johannesburg-township/

"The Costa Logistics partnership is a National sponsorship arrangement extending across the four Provinces in which AFL South Africa is now working. The three year commitment, valued at approximately 3.6 million Rand, will provide participation opportunities for over 16,000 FootyWild participants by the end of 2009."

yet 16 days latter the AFL doubles that figure

"The AFL believes it will produce about 30,000 participants between the ages of eight and 18 by the end of 2009."


it's just like the way they make you belive the health state the game is in ireland. but in the AFL 2007 international Census it shows only 110 people play the game
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