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geelongAREfootball
Posted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:16:52 PM
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http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22963871-5005401,00.html

A great diary of Dean Cox's experience in South Africa. Great to hear that they are spreading the message of football being a game that bring communities together, and helps neighbouring communities forget past conflicts.
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:50:43 PM
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The AFL are going to a great extent to spread football into South Africa. It looks like they have a very good plan working out.
Football is slowly but surely becoming an international sport once again.

http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20080119011137268
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geelongAREfootball wrote:
The AFL are going to a great extent to spread football into South Africa. It looks like they have a very good plan working out.
Football is slowly but surely becoming an international sport once again.

http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20080119011137268



does it hurt that no one gives a *****k
geelongAREfootball
Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:03:03 PM
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does it hurt that no one gives a *****k


It isnt really a topic that can be talked about a whole lot. I was just pasting articles about the topic.

Does it hurt you that if the Socceroos dont qualify for the soccer world cup then the sport will completely collapse?
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geelongAREfootball wrote:


It isnt really a topic that can be talked about a whole lot. I was just pasting articles about the topic.

Does it hurt you that if the Socceroos dont qualify for the soccer world cup then the sport will completely collapse?


it will when south Africa has a afl team that can pull a crowd of 25,000 each week like victory is
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:25:13 PM
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it will when south Africa has a afl team that can pull a crowd of 25,000 each week like victory is


1. The South African government has officially stated that it wants Australian Football to be its national sport as it will bridge the divide between whites and blacks.

2. The AFL is the AUSTRALIAN football league, not the SOUTH AFRICAN football league.

3. Melbourne Victory has lower average crowds than every single AFL club and is the only club.

4. So if you wont be hurt if soccer collapses, why are you following it?

5. Will you be hurt by each of the 25k crowd clubs in SA within 35 years, or just the once?

If you want to start a discussion about how soccer is travelling along in Australia, please go elsewhere as this thread is about football in South Africa!
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2008 4:49:47 PM
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1. The South African government has officially stated that it wants Australian Football to be its national sport as it will bridge the divide between whites and blacks.
you do realize that Football/soccer has been doing this in SA for year and by 2010 it will be the only thing people will be talking about over there, it the worst time possible for the AFL to be wasting there time over there cus FIFA has to much power and even out muscles the IOC.
2. The AFL is the AUSTRALIAN football league, not the SOUTH AFRICAN football league.
you know what i mean
3. Melbourne Victory has lower average crowds than every single AFL club and is the only club.
Yes but we have more member then any south african (AFL) team
4. So if you wont be hurt if soccer collapses, why are you following it?
this wont happen as the world cup was almost 2 years ago and the a-league season that just past had the biggest avg crowds fig
5. Will you be hurt by each of the 25k crowd clubs in SA within 35 years, or just the once?
remember this in 35 years please and i'd hurt if 25 people go watch a game in SA

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geelongAREfootball wrote:


1. The South African government has officially stated that it wants Australian Football to be its national sport as it will bridge the divide between whites and blacks.

2. The AFL is the AUSTRALIAN football league, not the SOUTH AFRICAN football league.

3. Melbourne Victory has lower average crowds than every single AFL club and is the only club.

4. So if you wont be hurt if soccer collapses, why are you following it?

5. Will you be hurt by each of the 25k crowd clubs in SA within 35 years, or just the once?

If you want to start a discussion about how soccer is travelling along in Australia, please go elsewhere as this thread is about football in South Africa!


thats because theres more anglo's than ethnics
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ifnot4me wrote:
1. The South African government has officially stated that it wants Australian Football to be its national sport as it will bridge the divide between whites and blacks.
you do realize that Football/soccer has been doing this in SA for year and by 2010 it will be the only thing people will be talking about over there, it the worst time possible for the AFL to be wasting there time over there cus FIFA has to much power and even out muscles the IOC.
2. The AFL is the AUSTRALIAN football league, not the SOUTH AFRICAN football league.
you know what i mean
3. Melbourne Victory has lower average crowds than every single AFL club and is the only club.
Yes but we have more member then any south african (AFL) team
4. So if you wont be hurt if soccer collapses, why are you following it?
this wont happen as the world cup was almost 2 years ago and the a-league season that just past had the biggest avg crowds fig
5. Will you be hurt by each of the 25k crowd clubs in SA within 35 years, or just the once?
remember this in 35 years please and i'd hurt if 25 people go watch a game in SA



Soccer in South Africa is a sport traditionally followed by black people (generalisation), but because they are so poor alot of them dont have access to equipment etc. The AFL is reaching into these remote communities, ones that have wars against each other, and they are presenting football as a unifying force. White people over there traditionally follow rugby, and will not want soccer to be the main sport. Yes it is probably the worst time for the AFL to be there, but it will work, as they can use the cricket fields, the other sport that will unify whites and blacks.

Football is played in one country professionally. And it is the most popular sport. We are in the process of introducing it to another country where it will show its superiority.

$11 million loss by FFA last year, after i think it was a $2 million profit in 2006 (the best possible year as there will not be as much merchandise sold this time around....if they make it) No world cup = not enough money = no development

There will be a club competition within the next 4 years. You will have to hurt then. Ill meet you on this forum in 35 years (if we both remember) and ill see you cry.
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badblueboy91 wrote:


thats because theres more anglo's than ethnics



and...
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:01:35 PM
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"Soccer in South Africa is a sport traditionally followed by black people (generalisation)"
"The most popular sport among black South African men is soccer,with the national team being nicknamed Bafana Bafana (meaning 'The Boys'). Soccer in the past has tended to be less segregated than white-dominated sports, like rugby union or cricket, though this is no longer the case."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_South_Africa#Sport

"Football was segregated by the past regime and became a focus for the non-racial sport movement.
In 1991 it became the first sport to become unified and has captivated the hearts of all South Africans."
http://www.safarinow.com/cms/sport-in-south-africa/irie.aspx



"but because they are so poor alot of them dont have access to equipment etc."
the only equipment needed to play fooball is something to kick preferably round. you do even need a little poor friend to play as you can kick it around and against your hurt. have you tried to kick an egg around by yourself? i can't imagine it being to fun.



"The AFL is reaching into these remote communities, ones that have wars against each other, and they are presenting football as a unifying force."
please google 'war in South Africa" becuase the last war i known of is the The Boer War and that was in the early 1900.
as for a unifying sport sorry the springbox did that already and like i said stated before soccer been doing it for years.




"Football is played in one country professionally. And it is the most popular sport. We are in the process of introducing it to another country where it will show its superiority."

This is why AFL is pleased to announce the third Australian Football International Cup will be staged in Warrnambool and Melbourne. Warrnambool i bet the team will be happy picking up cow ***** of the ground before the first bounce. they can't generate enough interest here but the will do in a country that will host the FIFA World Cup in 2010. what will impact more on a little south african kid do you think.

"$11 million loss by FFA last year, after i think it was a $2 million profit in 2006 (the best possible year as there will not be as much merchandise sold this time around....if they make it) No world cup = not enough money = no development"

Yes the 2006 world cup generated a lot of interest for the game here but it's not what made the money for the FFA as the crowd figures are higher now then 2006. It as the fact FIFA gave the $8 millon swiss francs to FFA just for turning up. thats what maded them turn profit. most if not all big business don't turn profit right away. in 2007 the FFA had to pay for the Asian Cup which cost them over $2 millon. oh yeah i forgot there no prize money to be had there.

"There will be a club competition within the next 4 years. You will have to hurt then. Ill meet you on this forum in 35 years (if we both remember) and ill see you cry."

woo they already have a table tennis club there too! sports like rugby union and cricket must be *****ing themself.

mate i've got a cousin from south africa and have made friends with south africans while i have been overseas.
how many south africans do you know?
please stop reading your bias reports cus all they do is make ***** smell like roses.


good luck


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Warning - be careful what you wish for ... just wait till the native Africans take to AFL ... they are made for the game - fast endurance athletes ... they will dump the rugby codes in droves, and soccer will be under threat as well ... hope we can match them on the park in 30 years time!

... and soccer gets good crowds now, because there is one game in each state every 2nd week, played at night, in the cricket season, and competes with nothing but re-runs of "Friends" on the telly!
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"just wait till the native Africans take to AFL ... they are made for the game - fast endurance athletes ..."

You have just stated the body type of a number of sports. You do realize that all they have been doing in the last 10 years is running an after school program. And yes they have been there for 10 years and have nothing to show for it.

"... and soccer gets good crowds now, because there is one game in each state every 2nd week, played at night, in the cricket season, and competes with nothing but re-runs of "Friends" on the telly!"

Mate the crowds have been growing in the A-league since day one and if you have ever gone to a game you will notice the people there a quite educated about the game which to me shows the maybe there has always been a general interest for the game. It’s all about branding for the FFA at the moment and you can’t say there not on the a better path then Aussie Rules in South Africa
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I have to admit I get a little bemused by the Aussie Rules internationalists just as much as I laugh at the militants who tip soccer to suddenly overrun Australian society as we know it...

Ifnot4me's only made one wrong call here - there have been many SA wars in the past century. Tribal ones. Just because the UN hasn't put it on the table, doesn't mean that tribal conflicts are viewed any less seriously by the combatants as the equivalent of WWII...and that's what they mean by "stopping wars in SA"...

Otherwise, 25k at SA footy games in 35 years...Aussie Rules to knock rugby off the pedestal...ok, you want to see just how protective Saffers are about their rugby? Get onto Youtube, use gibbke and rugby as your search terms, and read the 100 posts arguing the 1995 WC final...then try to imagine any of these guys dropping their guns and picking up a Sherrin instead...! In a country that will take many generations, not just one, to see the disenfranchised raise their standard of living to a point where they generate the capital to drive an AFL-style comp if they ever do (it was stated that they struggled to afford a soccer ball!), if the whites with the money don't come on board this will never happen...

In any case, who cares? If anyone after 150 years hasn't already figured out that Aussie Rules is the greatest game in this or any other parallel universe, then they are all "retards"...! I for one will not lift a finger to help spread the word...the finger is for beer and the remote only...and pointing to the door if any guest in my house wants to change the channel...
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“I have to admit I get a little bemused by the Aussie Rules internationalists just as much as I laugh at the militants who tip soccer to suddenly overrun Australian society as we know it...”

I didn’t say it was going to overrun Australian society. Infact the whole thread is about Aussie Rules in South Africa. And you have to be honest here if you think Aussie Rules has made any impact on SA society then what has football/soccer been here?

Let’s be realistic here because we both know a couple of after school program is just a waste of time.



Ifnot4me's only made one wrong call here - there have been many SA wars in the past century. Tribal ones. Just because the UN hasn't put it on the table, doesn't mean that tribal conflicts are viewed any less seriously by the combatants as the equivalent of WWII...and that's what they mean by "stopping wars in SA"...

You do know places like Kenya and Sudan are not in South Africa
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i dont think afl will take over in south africa anytime soon. with the world cup being hosted there in 2010 and the acn is on atm football (soccer) is buzzing all over africa and when the world cup hits south africa wont be able to get enough of the sport all the young kids will see the matches and hype of it all and start kicking a balll around all day

all they have is some people coming over from australia doing clinics and teaching kids how to play. its like when u learn a new game in p.e at skool u just keep to the one youv'e been playing for a while.

as for football( soccer) taking over in aus wont happen until 50 years. people have to remember afl has been played in aus for 150 years is it? an football is really only just kicked off until 50-100 years afl will stay number one with football creeping up on it. but as the years go by more and more afl people are taking a liking to football at skool heaps of afl kids are into it.
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"The most popular sport among black South African men is soccer,with the national team being nicknamed Bafana Bafana (meaning 'The Boys'). Soccer in the past has tended to be less segregated than white-dominated sports, like rugby union or cricket, though this is no longer the case."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_South_Africa#Sport

"Football was segregated by the past regime and became a focus for the non-racial sport movement.
In 1991 it became the first sport to become unified and has captivated the hearts of all South Africans."
http://www.safarinow.com/cms/sport-in-south-africa/irie.aspx


A sport that is less segregated is still segregated. Soccer continues to be seen in South Africa as a sport that the black people play, and Rugby is the sport that whites play. You will not be able to remove this unless an entirely new sport is introduced. There are people on both sides trying to link the two sides, but they are only trying. Primarily, soccer in south Africa is been seen as a beacon of hope. This is because they believe that the soccer world cup will bring in a lot of jobs and hence money to the black communities of South Africa.
The South African government believes that football is the sport that will join the two sides completely. Rather than artificially, or by pretending the divisions aren’t there. http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1296562.htm



"but because they are so poor alot of them dont have access to equipment etc."
the only equipment needed to play fooball is something to kick preferably round. you do even need a little poor friend to play as you can kick it around and against your hurt. have you tried to kick an egg around by yourself? i can't imagine it being to fun.


Kicking a football with two people is much more exciting then kicking a soccer ball around by yourself, or with two people. I don’t find it fun kicking a soccer ball or a football with myself. Or hitting a hockey ball around, or any ball for that matter. It is much better playing with someone else.


"The AFL is reaching into these remote communities, ones that have wars against each other, and they are presenting football as a unifying force."
please google 'war in South Africa" becuase the last war i known of is the The Boer War and that was in the early 1900.
as for a unifying sport sorry the springbox did that already and like i said stated before soccer been doing it for years.


Why don’t you go and research tribal conflict in south Africa? That is what im talking about.
The division between black and white in south Africa, is not unlike the division between football and league in Australia (except that we aren’t in need of a unifying sport). Victorians (black) will never take to league (rugby) in large numbers, and Sydney siders (whites) will never take to football (soccer) on a large scale. Hence the need for a new sport that has aspects of both the sports that the sides can relate to.



"Football is played in one country professionally. And it is the most popular sport. We are in the process of introducing it to another country where it will show its superiority."
This is why AFL is pleased to announce the third Australian Football International Cup will be staged in Warrnambool and Melbourne. Warrnambool i bet the team will be happy picking up cow ***** of the ground before the first bounce. they can't generate enough interest here but the will do in a country that will host the FIFA World Cup in 2010. what will impact more on a little south african kid do you think.

It is hosted in Warnambool to show how ingrained the sport is into Australian life, rather than playing every game in a big city where you see little of a countries culture.
Yes soccer will impact on people with tv’s more, but Aussie rules will impact more on the people without TV as they are actually going out there in person and conducting clinics.


"$11 million loss by FFA last year, after i think it was a $2 million profit in 2006 (the best possible year as there will not be as much merchandise sold this time around....if they make it) No world cup = not enough money = no development"

Yes the 2006 world cup generated a lot of interest for the game here but it's not what made the money for the FFA as the crowd figures are higher now then 2006. It as the fact FIFA gave the $8 millon swiss francs to FFA just for turning up. thats what maded them turn profit. most if not all big business don't turn profit right away. in 2007 the FFA had to pay for the Asian Cup which cost them over $2 millon. oh yeah i forgot there no prize money to be had there.

Well if they don’t make the next soccer world cup then they wont get that 8 million francs either will they. Add that to the missing sponsorhip, and to very low merchandise sales, and FFA will collapse within two years. The Asian cup was a very bad investment. Those stadiums had hardly anyone in them. And the socceroos did very badly.


"There will be a club competition within the next 4 years. You will have to hurt then. Ill meet you on this forum in 35 years (if we both remember) and ill see you cry."

woo they already have a table tennis club there too! sports like rugby union and cricket must be *****ing themself.

Sports spread a lot more quickly once they have a decent international competition. Once football has competition from south africa it will slowly spread through Africa. Within 100 years there will be about 5 countries playing Australia at football and beating them. And no I don’t think football will ne the national sport of SA within the next 50 years.


mate i've got a cousin from south africa and have made friends with south africans while i have been overseas.
how many south africans do you know?
please stop reading your bias reports cus all they do is make ***** smell like roses.

One of my ex’s is a south African. And I know quite a few from university.
Your friends are probably just like soccer supporters in Australia. Telling everyone overseas who will listen that soccer is taking over.

good luck
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[quote=ifnot4meYou do know places like Kenya and Sudan are not in South Africa
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We're not talking about 2 totally different countries. We're talking about tribes within SA - CNN won't cover it, but as far as the opposite sides are concerned, it's fair dinkum war...
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ifnot4me wrote:
“I have to admit I get a little bemused by the Aussie Rules internationalists just as much as I laugh at the militants who tip soccer to suddenly overrun Australian society as we know it...”

I didn’t say it was going to overrun Australian society. Infact the whole thread is about Aussie Rules in South Africa. And you have to be honest here if you think Aussie Rules has made any impact on SA society then what has football/soccer been here?

Let’s be realistic here because we both know a couple of after school program is just a waste of time.


Wasn't specifically aiming that at you (it just looks that way!)...many have before, that's who I meant...

And I'm sure you already realise I was also in disagreement about the likelihood of Aussie Rules swamping SA...we're pretty much on the same side here...!

I like the idea of foreigners following our game, but other than that I just don't care, for the reason I put above...at best, I can see Aussie Rules occupying a similar place to Gridiron in Australia...it would be cool to see a thread on a site from SA completely written in Afrikaans about this upcoming AFL season, like we do down here with the NFL, but that's as big as it will get, alongside a few local clubs (the same as we see with gridiron in Aus)...but that's fine...bit of a w@nk to suggest it will be the force that repairs post-Apartheid South Africa...!
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Where starting to get of the topic now.
At the end of the day we all know it’s not going to work and if just another PR stunt from the AFL. Please they have been there since 1997 running clinics and after school programs on dirt fields. You can’t honestly say the future look health for Aussie Rules in South Africa as it’s made such little in road in ten years. That what this thread is about if you would like to talk about anything else please start up a thread about it.

Once again plan and simple it will not work.
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