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2 days of cricket. 490 odd runs req. 90 overs a day ish = 185 overs total.
490/185 = 2.64 Run rate required. Average in tests is about 2.8-3.4 ish for india
india should do this comfortably, with the batting lineup they have.
pitch shows no demons, aussies could have gotten 400+ and batted india out of match, say by lunch time day four. Bad tactics which they will regret.
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i wish i was as optimistic as you!
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They can't do it. The biggest second innings run chase is set at 406 (i think and also ironically by India) so they would have to beat a world record by 93 runs. Near impossible. The only thing that can save them is rain but the next two days are 34 C and 41 C apparently.
Did I mention they bowled out for 196 in the first innings?
You said bad tactics by Ponting to declare? You're an idiot. I bet you India won't make more than 350. He declared at the right time to give the two (tired from fielding all day) Indian openings a bat, looking to take 1 or 2 wickets before stumps. You know nothing.
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easier said than done.
although, stranger things have happened in cricket. and history is meant to be rewritten so who knows. we all saw how close lanka got just a few weeks ago.
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conditional wrote:They can't do it. The biggest second innings run chase is set at 406 (i think and also ironically by India) so they would have to beat a world record by 93 runs. Near impossible. The only thing that can save them is rain but the next two days are 34 C and 41 C apparently.
Did I mention they bowled out for 196 in the first innings? India once scored 171 in the first innings against Australia and Australia enforced th follow on. India then declared at 7/657 and went on to win the match. If any team could make this chase it is India and I agree with the thread starter I would have batted until just before lunch tomorrow.
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you just never know..you can't predict india's demise based on a poor first innings bout (where they weren't chasing any target as such).
jaffer and dravid are very solid technical batsman, and dhoni and yuvraj (the aggressive fast scorers) have not come into the match yet. Tendulkar and Laxman look in good form and australia's pace attack incl. Lee looked slow in the opening 8 overs. Clark and Hogg are the x factors on the wearing wicket. Indian batsmen only need to be weary of stuart clark/brett lee's off cutter(into the pad) and thats about it really.
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India once scored 171 in the first innings against Australia and Australia enforced th follow on. India then declared at 7/657 and went on to win the match.
If any team could make this chase it is India and I agree with the thread starter I would have batted until just before lunch tomorrow.
This is hilarious. This is a deteriorating, bowlers pitch. Most second innings run chasers don't get past 300. Not to mention India could only conjour up 196 in all the time in the world. What's with people thinking Ponting delcaring then was a bad choice? That's what you do when you've batted the whole innings - sent the two openers in that are weary and tired from the day's play to get a few wickets. Unfortunately it didn't happen. What was up with Lee's pace??
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Halba1 wrote:conditional-
you just never know..you can't predict india's demise based on a poor first innings bout (where they weren't chasing any target as such).
jaffer and dravid are very solid technical batsman, and dhoni and yuvraj (the aggressive fast scorers) have not come into the match yet. Tendulkar and Laxman look in good form and australia's pace attack incl. Lee looked slow in the opening 8 overs. Clark and Hogg are the x factors on the wearing wicket. Indian batsmen only need to be weary of stuart clark/brett lee's off cutter(into the pad) and thats about it really.
Why didn't we get 1000? we've got hayden! ponting! hussey! clarke! symonds! gilly! a few of the best in the world
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Anybody who thinks India will get within 100 runs of the total is demonstrating they have zero understanding of the game! The pitch will continue to deteriorate and get lower and slower and balls will keep low. Lee Clark and Johnson bowled beautifully in the first innings if they bowl anywhere near as well as they did then India will fold for less than 250. Dravid and Jaffer may be wonderful technical batsmen but Dravid doesnt look like making a run at the moment let alone a good 70 or 80 which is needed to give India a sniff. Tendulkar would need to score 150+ to be any show. And as for those who say Ponting declared at the wrong time, please use your common sense India were in the field for 80 odd overs on a 37 degree day
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Go Nodders! wrote:Anybody who thinks India will get within 100 runs of the total is demonstrating they have zero understanding of the game! The pitch will continue to deteriorate and get lower and slower and balls will keep low. Lee Clark and Johnson bowled beautifully in the first innings if they bowl anywhere near as well as they did then India will fold for less than 250. Dravid and Jaffer may be wonderful technical batsmen but Dravid doesnt look like making a run at the moment let alone a good 70 or 80 which is needed to give India a sniff. Tendulkar would need to score 150+ to be any show. And as for those who say Ponting declared at the wrong time, please use your common sense India were in the field for 80 odd overs on a 37 degree day exactly what i said  i say dravid will make 13 ...from 203 balls!
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mathematically they can do it, theoretically they can do it, but realistically they can't
The only way I see it happening is if two of tendulkar, laxman and ganguly score big centuries and dravid anchors the innings and bats almost the whole innings. For this to happen, I think one of the fast bowlers would need to be break down and the aussies would need to spill some chances.
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If India make more than 400 runs I'll leave Sportal forever.
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Reverse swing and variable bounce should be too much for the indian batsmen...Hogg looks ok too.. balls coming out of his hand well and was unlucky not to have Jaffer
4 key things that we have that we didnt have in hobart are
- variable bounce and reverse swing as i said
- a spinner who doesnt gift away about 40+ runs through full tosses
- Symonds who saves a lot of runs with fielding and handy bowling which will be needed in hot conditions
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conditional wrote:If India make more than 400 runs I'll leave Sportal forever. i dont think youll come even close to leaving hahaha
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Halba1 wrote:2 days of cricket. 490 odd runs req. 90 overs a day ish = 185 overs total.
490/185 = 2.64 Run rate required. Average in tests is about 2.8-3.4 ish for india
india should do this comfortably, with the batting lineup they have.
pitch shows no demons, aussies could have gotten 400+ and batted india out of match, say by lunch time day four. Bad tactics which they will regret. typical ponting loves to declare too early!
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You'll Never Walk Alone wrote:
typical ponting loves to declare too early!
Another moron! can you read up please. some of you don't understand cricket at all! ..oh you're a pommie - you're excused
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tendulkar wrote:easier said than done.
although, stranger things have happened in cricket. and history is meant to be rewritten so who knows. we all saw how close lanka got just a few weeks ago. Sri Lanks didnt get close to the Aussies. Ponting toyed with them by bowling part timers to the tail. It was never in danger and Im sure evryone agrees nerves never entered the equation
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conditional wrote:
This is hilarious. This is a deteriorating, bowlers pitch. Most second innings run chasers don't get past 300. Not to mention India could only conjour up 196 in all the time in the world.
What's with people thinking Ponting delcaring then was a bad choice? That's what you do when you've batted the whole innings - sent the two openers in that are weary and tired from the day's play to get a few wickets. Unfortunately it didn't happen. What was up with Lee's pace??
Not saying India will win but they have the talent to do it. Declaring later would still give them a slightly more deteriorated pitch to bat on.
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Ponting learnt about declaring late against South Africa at the WACA few years ago. Ever since then he has been spot on, as was his decision today.
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Exactly, you people who say 500 isnt enough have no idea.
Prob the same people bagging Ponting for declaring too late against SA. Anything to make u sound like u know what ur on about
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