Maybe he isnt?? He is actually a good driver, most of his DNFs have reulted form the car failing or someone hitting him, not from bad driving.

He was been in several race winning positions which didnt happen by luck only for the car to fail or someone to hit him, eg. Vettel in Fuji, Monaco wen he was in 3rd for Williams before his gearbox failed, but had more fuel than the cars ahead, etc...

He has proven his skill this year wen the midfield is as close as it is to be up there at the top of the Red Bull, Renualt, Toyota, Toro and Williams drivers wen all the cars are close, plus he continuasly has been coming 7-8ish which is about right as he can at best have the 7th best car behind the Ferrari's, Mclaren's and BMW's.
He has matched Alonso and Trulli while putting Coul(Re)tard to shame, so how can any1 call him ordinary?? Maybe unlucky, but not ordinary

have you ever watched an F1 race in your life?

its freaky, but its probably bang on. the amount of telementry teams have available to them is insane, and if they can't pinpoint the cause of the problem with all that info available to them, then it's probably a freak incident like this.

As an aussie I love to see Aussies winning.
I have only one question of Webber.

Michael Schumacher had tremendous respect of Webber, and thought he was a very talented driver.
So if MS can say that about him. Why have Ferrari or McLaren not snapped him up as a driver?
I mean it's not that hard to break a contract (webber has done it a few times from memory)
If Webber really is a driver capable of winning the World Championship, why do none of the teams capable of winning the championship pick him up?
How could he say no to Ferrari of McLaren if they offer him a 1 to 2 year deal?
So then why haven't they? What do they know that we don't?

Webber has always been there, or there abouts, he's always been quicker than his team mate, he's always been quick in a car that isn't nessesarily quick.
He regularly does well at monaco (a circuit where the drivers perform more accurately to their skill than to their equipment [e.g. Sutil this season]).

So what do Ferrari and McLaren know that we don't that causes them not to hire him to win them a World Championship?

That and he's far too outspoken for these top teams...they hardly like a driver who speaks their mind and that is exactly what MW does

have you been to singapore cause I go there almost every year and I can tell you that there are not trams in singapore for starters and that nothing like a tram runs at that poin of the track.

I don't think he is a bad driver because he consistently posts good times but do I think that he is a winning little baby. Whenever he moves teams he always finds a way to bag them out and to say that everything was their fault. When he left williams, he bagged the shi.t through them saying they were a cra.p team and that they couldn't do anything right. when he left Jaguar, he bagged them as well saying the same things as he did about williams. And the one that I love most is when he left Minardi he complained as well even though Paul Stoddard gave him his big break and a drive in f1, and he had fernando alonso as his team mate. Now whenever things go bad for him he bags red bull as well even though he has a renault engine, adrian newy designed his car and dc is his partner, one of the most respected and experienced drivers of the past decade!
so overall, even though webber is aussie, I have to say that is dislike him and want him to break his car every race because then he will find a way to blame the team and it will provide even more amunition to my argument.

I don't thnk it has got anything to do with marketing. What's to market!? They know about him. They don't care about attitudes, they care about performance, and consistent performance at that.

Not all drivers are created equally. I know it is easy to become biased due to loyalty to ones countries driver but the fact is
Mark Webber is no Senna or Prost of Mansel or Schumaker to just name a few greats.

Basically people are saying that all F1 drivers are all just as good and talented as each other.

I do not think its the case of Mark complaining about his car all of the time... Never has been, when all goes smoothly, obviously, he doesnt complain, he tries his hardest to do 100% more. When somthing goes wrong, he has a profound knowledge of mechanics/racing, in which case he knows what he is talking about. When somthing goes wrong, he does not blame the car itself, its a case of a team effort, in so being a problem for the team. If somthing is wrong, its his job as the pilot to make sure that it is dealt with ASAP, unfortunatly, complaining about it is the best way to get resaults.

If you are asked by the media group to explain what the problem was, how would you react straight from the *****pit, if you have asked your technical suppervisor to create a certain FIX for the problem 3 races brefore? - That is Webbers issue... Some teams are unable to meet Pilot expectations... Redbull is getting better at that, for sure. With more money, better funding, better everything, the drivers have it easier to do their jobs.

Good luck for the future, he will be a race winner, and a serious contender! He needs all the help and support he can get!

He has a huge load of tallent more that most on a race track, you just have to watch him and only him in a race to see it, most people cant. Give it a go and you will see too!

Personally though, I do think he has lost some tallent some where (maybe when he was upside down in that mercedes at Le mans lol), still has alot to go though!!!

He did have the chance to go to Renault in 2005 because his Manager is Flavio Briatore, but Webber preferred Williams and that is the decision he made that has cost him. Fisichella ended up getting the drive and had at least 3 wins.