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Bumpa still in CW#2 name-When is change of ownership?
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I know Im not sure what the time frame for horse sale and new ownership cross over to be honest but it sure takes a while. Mind you homes take 6 weeks so maybe is about the same? Happy Punting All
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Shirley. 2 questions....... 1) Do you get called Shirley a lot, or do you tell people not to call you Shirley, Shirley 2) Let me know where I can post you a $130.00 cheque, I'll send it as long you guarantee me you'll relax a bit. None of us want to find out on this forum one day that you've had a heart attack over $130.
On second thoughts, don't worry about it, being the sado-masochist I am, I love the sense of frustation you seem to have coming to grips with losing $6.41 a month over the past 3 years. Man it's $6.41 a month. Get over it. You made an investment, it didn't work. You've probably lost a lot more money punting or drinking or visitting strip clubs over the last 3 years than you did on this investment.
Ain't nobody can get that chip of your shoulder but you. Take some time, and a few deep breathes, and soon you'll hopefully make a decission to move on. It's good for you, you know.
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Stormtrooper wrote:Shirley. 2 questions....... 1) Do you get called Shirley a lot, or do you tell people not to call you Shirley, Shirley 2) Let me know where I can post you a $130.00 cheque, I'll send it as long you guarantee me you'll relax a bit. None of us want to find out on this forum one day that you've had a heart attack over $130.
On second thoughts, don't worry about it, being the sado-masochist I am, I love the sense of frustation you seem to have coming to grips with losing $6.41 a month over the past 3 years. Man it's $6.41 a month. Get over it. You made an investment, it didn't work. You've probably lost a lot more money punting or drinking or visitting strip clubs over the last 3 years than you did on this investment.
Ain't nobody can get that chip of your shoulder but you. Take some time, and a few deep breathes, and soon you'll hopefully make a decission to move on. It's good for you, you know. How do you know the shares are worth $130 at present??? Oh very clever too, his last name is Shirley so you call him Shirley.Oh dang, you smart,lol Are you yet another alter ego of CWR staff? lol, I think you are. Damn we have caused you a lot of badwill havn't we?
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Stormtrooper wrote:Shirley. 2 questions....... 1) Do you get called Shirley a lot, or do you tell people not to call you Shirley, Shirley 2) Let me know where I can post you a $130.00 cheque, I'll send it as long you guarantee me you'll relax a bit. None of us want to find out on this forum one day that you've had a heart attack over $130.
On second thoughts, don't worry about it, being the sado-masochist I am, I love the sense of frustation you seem to have coming to grips with losing $6.41 a month over the past 3 years. Man it's $6.41 a month. Get over it. You made an investment, it didn't work. You've probably lost a lot more money punting or drinking or visitting strip clubs over the last 3 years than you did on this investment.
Ain't nobody can get that chip of your shoulder but you. Take some time, and a few deep breathes, and soon you'll hopefully make a decission to move on. It's good for you, you know. WOW! Stormtrooper thank you for your posting. My 6yr old son woke just moments ago and I had him read your posting. He has assured me that he will never abuse drugs or alcohol like the author of the above. Thank you for your advocacy! I wish you all the best through this tumultuous period in your life! God Bless, NMWS.
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Stormtrooper wrote:Shirley. 2 questions....... 1) Do you get called Shirley a lot, or do you tell people not to call you Shirley, Shirley 2) Let me know where I can post you a $130.00 cheque, I'll send it as long you guarantee me you'll relax a bit. None of us want to find out on this forum one day that you've had a heart attack over $130.
On second thoughts, don't worry about it, being the sado-masochist I am, I love the sense of frustation you seem to have coming to grips with losing $6.41 a month over the past 3 years. Man it's $6.41 a month. Get over it. You made an investment, it didn't work. You've probably lost a lot more money punting or drinking or visitting strip clubs over the last 3 years than you did on this investment.
Ain't nobody can get that chip of your shoulder but you. Take some time, and a few deep breathes, and soon you'll hopefully make a decission to move on. It's good for you, you know. I think you are missing the point. Were people upset when Christopher Scaise fled the company with their money, of course they were. Even though for most battlers it would have been less than $25 a month. I think the same principals apply here. It appears as though the members of this registered company have been and still are being grossly ripped off. How else can you explain where all the money has gone. I know with the horses i have in work i paid about 15% of the normal training costs when EI was on, so that should have extended the company, not shortened it. Further to that, most horses have been spelling for most of the time, so once again costs should be lower than budgeted, not more. Further to that, they budgeted to have 6 horses in work, and yet at the most they had 3 i think, so where has all the money gone? by the way maths man, $1500 divided by 3 years is $46 a month.
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Stormtrooper wrote:Shirley. 2 questions....... 1) Do you get called Shirley a lot, or do you tell people not to call you Shirley, Shirley 2) Let me know where I can post you a $130.00 cheque, I'll send it as long you guarantee me you'll relax a bit. None of us want to find out on this forum one day that you've had a heart attack over $130.
On second thoughts, don't worry about it, being the sado-masochist I am, I love the sense of frustation you seem to have coming to grips with losing $6.41 a month over the past 3 years. Man it's $6.41 a month. Get over it. You made an investment, it didn't work. You've probably lost a lot more money punting or drinking or visitting strip clubs over the last 3 years than you did on this investment.
Ain't nobody can get that chip of your shoulder but you. Take some time, and a few deep breathes, and soon you'll hopefully make a decission to move on. It's good for you, you know. DEAR STORMTROOPER. Thank you for your comment. Although this matter is one of principle rather than cost, I am prepared, with the greatest reluctance, to sell you my share in the company for the original buy-in price of $1450. You will then be able to experience for yourself whatever degree of pleasure you feel I have failed to extract from my investment in CWR2. Just call me on 02 9363 3059 or on 0400 802 122 for the postal address you will require. I look forward to speaking with you as a man of integrity who is prepared to put his money where his mouth is. As a gesture of goodwill I will donate the funds to the Cancer Council. Yours sincerely Bernard Shirley
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Stormtrooper wrote:Shirley. 2 questions....... 1) Do you get called Shirley a lot, or do you tell people not to call you Shirley, Shirley 2) Let me know where I can post you a $130.00 cheque, I'll send it as long you guarantee me you'll relax a bit. None of us want to find out on this forum one day that you've had a heart attack over $130.
On second thoughts, don't worry about it, being the sado-masochist I am, I love the sense of frustation you seem to have coming to grips with losing $6.41 a month over the past 3 years. Man it's $6.41 a month. Get over it. You made an investment, it didn't work. You've probably lost a lot more money punting or drinking or visitting strip clubs over the last 3 years than you did on this investment.
Ain't nobody can get that chip of your shoulder but you. Take some time, and a few deep breathes, and soon you'll hopefully make a decission to move on. It's good for you, you know. HAHA..mate, if you are going to step in here, get your facts and most of all, your figures right to avoid looking like a total twat.
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NoMoreWaughs wrote:
WOW! Stormtrooper thank you for your posting. My 6yr old son woke just moments ago and I had him read your posting. He has assured me that he will never abuse drugs or alcohol like the author of the above. Thank you for your advocacy! I wish you all the best through this tumultuous period in your life!
God Bless,
NMWS.
Whoa baby. Great passion. Maybe your 6 year old could also explain to you the risks associated with investing in racehorses.
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Stormtrooper wrote:
Whoa baby. Great passion. Maybe your 6 year old could also explain to you the risks associated with investing in racehorses.
DEAR STORMTROOPER. I am still waiting for your call! And please note that I sign my own name. Where do you stand on that? Regards Bernard Shirley
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Stormtrooper wrote:
Whoa baby. Great passion. Maybe your 6 year old could also explain to you the risks associated with investing in racehorses.
You are missing the point. Ok, you give a Randwick trainer $60,000 lets say, to own and train a horse for one year. This is perfect because you live in Bondi and the track is 5 mins away. You tell them to spend up to $15,000 buying the horse. They spend that money, hoping that they didnt buy it for $10k but telling you it cost the whole $15k, leaving you $45,000 for training fees and other associated costs. Say they charge you the $75/day to train the horse. So even in full work for a whole 12 months, it would cost a little under $30,000 in training fees (realistically, that 30k, should cover everything if the horse is spelled twice in that period). The trainer then decides to up stumps and moves to Kembla Grange because he can save a ***** load on renting stables and using the facility for work. This *****es you off because then you have to travel to even see your horse. 6-8 months down the track, the horse has raced 6 times and has won 2 races but then goes sour. These things happen, thats racing and people understand that. He advises selling the horse. So your thinking, well I gave him $45k to train it its cost roughly $20k to this point so he owes me $25k. He then turns and says, no, I only have $XX left. He has also used any prize money as well. This is only half the story, but tell me your next step...
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bernardino wrote:
DEAR STORMTROOPER. Thank you for your comment. Although this matter is one of principle rather than cost, I am prepared, with the greatest reluctance, to sell you my share in the company for the original buy-in price of $1450. You will then be able to experience for yourself whatever degree of pleasure you feel I have failed to extract from my investment in CWR2. Just call me on 02 9363 3059 or on 0400 802 122 for the postal address you will require. I look forward to speaking with you as a man of integrity who is prepared to put his money where his mouth is. As a gesture of goodwill I will donate the funds to the Cancer Council. Yours sincerely Bernard Shirley
Dude, your ulcers must be killing you. I'll send you the $130.00 as long as you guarantee me you'll calm down and stop stressing so much that your $1450 is now $130 (by that I mean stop whinging on this forum about the dough you have now done). It's a bitter pill to swallow but that's what has happened. You need to talk to some people who invested in shares like ABC Learning and realise that a prospectus is no guarantee of return. I am a man of principle also. However, I have seen some people make some pretty stubborn & silly decissions over the years based on 'the principle of the matter'. Now my principle's are as different as then next person's, but when I handed over my $1450 (thanks for reminding me), I understood the principles of investing. You assess what risk you are prepared to take and when investing in shares only invest what you are prepared to not see again. Now I don't know how many starts Bumpa had, but for me watching her race (and win) was the return I was after. Hence my principle's being different from yours. By the way I really don't want you to stop posting, you're a hoot.
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bernardino wrote:
DEAR STORMTROOPER. I am still waiting for your call! And please note that I sign my own name. Where do you stand on that? Regards Bernard Shirley
Shirl I'm not here to be managed to some sort of expectations you have of everyone posting their names. Where do you stand on that?
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Stormtrooper wrote: Shirl I'm not here to be managed to some sort of expectations you have of everyone posting their names. Where do you stand on that?
DEAR STORM TROOPER: If you are unable to understand that CWR2's directors have failed to deliver on the undertakings that they held out in their - not my - Prospectus in order to solicit investment funds, then you are easily pleased.
If you think that the remote prospect of merely having "some fun" with a horse that has "maturity problems" and has not yet made it to the race track is reasonable then you are truly remarkable.
From what you say, you apparently think an investment entails entrusting your money to a third party to manage until it is all whittled away for precious little - or no - return!
How interesting.
Assuming you are a member of the syndicate, I trust you realise that you are now an investor in a company with an Honorary Managing Director, an Honorary Chairman, no assets and a leased liability (Kelendria), and that you have about as much chance of seeing any of your $130 or whatever it might be (if anything) as I have of becoming Pope.
When people volunteer their services for nothing - like Messrs Roulston and Waugh have so magnanimously in this instance - you should ask yourself what it is that motivates such ostensibly altruistic behaviour. Let me know when you find out.
Meanwhile it seems that you are insufficiently confident of who you are - or of your opinions - to sign with your own name. And you clearly are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is and buy my share in CWR2 for $1450 so that I can forward the money to the Cancer Council. That way someone, apart from Messrs Roulston and Waugh and Ms Waugh, would at least benefit.
Could I suggest also that in future you might attempt a reasoned argument instead of empty invective.
Yours sincerely Bernard Shirley
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Here Here Bernadino  , sounds like Storm Trooper would even hand Roulston $60,000. for a horse not see a cent and think, * Well BY JINGO L*  , I enjoyed that experience L*  as you say Bernadino very easily pleased customer and I am sure they will line up for his business  ..... NOt caring how the funds are spent, whether a horse is leased or not L* and well what the heck, spend all my money, keep the change because I LOVE THE EXPERIENCE IT MAKES ME HAPPY I think they saw Stormtrooper coming ..................  Happy Punting All P.S Black Minx, I love Lonhro's daughter  ... just like her dad
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AussieGal05 wrote:Here Here Bernadino  , sounds like Storm Trooper would even hand Roulston $60,000. for a horse not see a cent and think, * Well BY JINGO L*  , I enjoyed that experience L*  as you say Bernadino very easily pleased customer and I am sure they will line up for his business  ..... NOt caring how the funds are spent, whether a horse is leased or not L* and well what the heck, spend all my money, keep the change because I LOVE THE EXPERIENCE IT MAKES ME HAPPY I think they saw Stormtrooper coming ..................  Happy Punting All P.S Black Minx, I love Lonhro's daughter  ... just like her dad No wonder this syndicate has had so much bad luck with all that negative energy and bad karma you guys are pulling into the place. If I had $60,000 to spend on a horse I wouldn't give it to Roulston. But I didn't have $60,000, I had $1,450 and as beggars can't be choosers my money was invested in a company where my chances of a decent return would have meant the horses would have to win Cox Plate and Melb. Cup. You get what you pay for. If you feel like you've been ripped of well stupid is as stupid does. But don't spend the rest of your life whinning about it. Suck it up and try again somewhere else. If your principles say that you need to hang around telling everyone not to invest in Club Waugh Syndicates, that is mighty kind of you. Stupid but kind. The issue of what happened to all the money, is for me a waste precious time and energy. The fact is they will prepare the financials and they'll have them audited. If there has been money missaprropriated (which is unlikely) it will be picked up then and the correct authorities will take action. I've never gone through the financials each year but I'm sure that Shirl will audit them and let us know if there are any miscalculations.
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bernardino wrote:
DEAR STORM TROOPER: If you are unable to understand that CWR2's directors have failed to deliver on the undertakings that they held out in their - not my - Prospectus in order to solicit investment funds, then you are easily pleased.
If you think that the remote prospect of merely having "some fun" with a horse that has "maturity problems" and has not yet made it to the race track is reasonable then you are truly remarkable.
From what you say, you apparently think an investment entails entrusting your money to a third party to manage until it is all whittled away for precious little - or no - return!
How interesting.
Assuming you are a member of the syndicate, I trust you realise that you are now an investor in a company with an Honorary Managing Director, an Honorary Chairman, no assets and a leased liability (Kelendria), and that you have about as much chance of seeing any of your $130 or whatever it might be (if anything) as I have of becoming Pope.
When people volunteer their services for nothing - like Messrs Roulston and Waugh have so magnanimously in this instance - you should ask yourself what it is that motivates such ostensibly altruistic behaviour. Let me know when you find out.
Meanwhile it seems that you are insufficiently confident of who you are - or of your opinions - to sign with your own name. And you clearly are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is and buy my share in CWR2 for $1450 so that I can forward the money to the Cancer Council. That way someone, apart from Messrs Roulston and Waugh and Ms Waugh, would at least benefit.
Could I suggest also that in future you might attempt a reasoned argument instead of empty invective.
Yours sincerely Bernard Shirley
Yes I am truly remarkable. Thank you. How did a clever man like yourself ever get 'ripped off' like this. Maybe some of the time you spent swallowing a thesaurus could have been spent questioning your own investment decissions. You money's gone dude. You are no better than the Canterbury Bulldogs who are going to spend a fortune making sure SBW doesn't play in France even though it'll also mean that he never plays for the Bulldogs again. And you know what, just like CW2, LEGALLY Sonny Bill probably hasn't done a thing wrong. Geez, isn't it strange what 'principles' can do to people.
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Stormtrooper wrote: Yes I am truly remarkable. Thank you. How did a clever man like yourself ever get 'ripped off' like this. Maybe some of the time you spent swallowing a thesaurus could have been spent questioning your own investment decissions. You money's gone dude. You are no better than the Canterbury Bulldogs who are going to spend a fortune making sure SBW doesn't play in France even though it'll also mean that he never plays for the Bulldogs again. And you know what, just like CW2, LEGALLY Sonny Bill probably hasn't done a thing wrong. Geez, isn't it strange what 'principles' can do to people.
In all seriousness 'dude', why are u so angry at this thread and Bernard in particular? I dont know about anyone else, but it is very clear to me you have strong resentment for him and him only. Why is this?? Im being serious, you can insult me in another reply, but tell me your not invovled in any way and I would say your lying. Curious?
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buddylove wrote:
In all seriousness 'dude', why are u so angry at this thread and Bernard in particular? I dont know about anyone else, but it is very clear to me you have strong resentment for him and him only.
Why is this?? Im being serious, you can insult me in another reply, but tell me your not invovled in any way and I would say your lying.
Curious?
Buddy, Not everyone who disagrees with Shirley is related to Mark & Kim Waugh. I'm just very interested in the different reactions of people who invested in CW2. Very early on in this forum, someone made the point 'What did you expect'. Essentially Shirl, me, you and 300+ people spent $1450 each on share in a company. An new compnay at that. When you buy a $100 DVD player, what are your expectations as compared to a $1,000 DVD player with 5 year guarantee? For $1,450 my expectation was to see 3 horses run and see one be successful. I expected that at the end of 3 years there would be nothing left of the money except the experience of having seen my horses go around. It is true that my expectations weren't met in seeing 3 horses run, but 1 did and each time she ran I thought she put in a good run. How the board ran the club???? Well I try not to get to stressed about that. I've got plenty of other shares in Australian Companies. Some in 10 cent companies and more in the big Banks etc. Funnily enough my expectation is that the Big Banks etc run their company better than the directors of the 10cent company (which has been telling me for 5 years that they will start production next year). Either way when I invest my money I've already made my decission to trust the board. If it doesn't work out, who was the fool who handed over his money? What did you expect to get out of it?
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Stormtrooper wrote: Buddy, Not everyone who disagrees with Shirley is related to Mark & Kim Waugh. I'm just very interested in the different reactions of people who invested in CW2. Very early on in this forum, someone made the point 'What did you expect'. Essentially Shirl, me, you and 300+ people spent $1450 each on share in a company. An new compnay at that. When you buy a $100 DVD player, what are your expectations as compared to a $1,000 DVD player with 5 year guarantee? For $1,450 my expectation was to see 3 horses run and see one be successful. I expected that at the end of 3 years there would be nothing left of the money except the experience of having seen my horses go around. It is true that my expectations weren't met in seeing 3 horses run, but 1 did and each time she ran I thought she put in a good run. How the board ran the club???? Well I try not to get to stressed about that. I've got plenty of other shares in Australian Companies. Some in 10 cent companies and more in the big Banks etc. Funnily enough my expectation is that the Big Banks etc run their company better than the directors of the 10cent company (which has been telling me for 5 years that they will start production next year). Either way when I invest my money I've already made my decission to trust the board. If it doesn't work out, who was the fool who handed over his money? What did you expect to get out of it?
What did I expect? Well, like you, I didnt expect Group 1 winners, but what I expected was an inside experience to racehorse ownership. I expected to be informed on the 'goings on' of our horses, I expected, the promise that all prizemoney remain the property of the shareholders, and if this wasnt the case, I at least expected to be informed why this wasnt the case. Unlike many others, I actually was hoping for a return on my investment, Maybe not $1450, but a portion. If I want to be simply involved, I will join Mark Kavanaghs club were you have no ownership, you just get the information. My beef is not with the horses, although in hindsight us suckers in CW2 def had the worst 'batch'. My beef is with the communication, the professionalism, and the fact that weekly/fortnightly monthly sentence(s) were all we got and they had absolutely no substance at all for such an investment. Surely you agree with that and if your honest in that you just invested to be a part of the ownership structure, I wonder why your so satisfied with what we got communications wise. Were u happy with that? I am not ashamed to say im happy the Waugh/Roulston clan have suffered as a result of people like Bernard. Your right, we are the fools that invested our hard earnt, but im relatively young, so learnt a valuable experience out of all this. I reckon you should stop acting the fool, if you dont support us making some noise, I wonder why you signed up to this forum???? Feel free to tell me, as you are just adding to this massive thread
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