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Fevola, Cornes, Milne, Montagna, Cousins, Swan, Lynch and Gardiner are all white. Race has nothing to do with it.
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Goreds wrote:I agree with you on what 'should' happen, I just think there is alot more to it which may or may not be played out in the media...
As I have stated earlier, there have been far to many aboriginal players that have been in trouble in the last 6 months for it to be a coincidence...
Is it up to the AFL to show some leadership in the community towards Aboriginal players? I'm not sure, but that's what they will have thrown in their faces if the media decides to run with the story...
Tomorrow on SEN, at least 2 shows will have ex AFL Aboriginal players on to discuss this issue... The reason so few aboriginal players played in the VFL ?
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jihg wrote:Fevola, Cornes, Milne, Montagna, Cousins, Swan, Lynch and Gardiner are all white. Race has nothing to do with it. Slugger Hurley ... they are footballers not saints .. go to the top shelf, big Nick, Aaabbblettt !
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Jimmylt wrote:I think you're very wrong. They will crack down very hard to send a message: "DON"T GO NEAR DRUGS!!".
I can't see the race card you speak about having any influence, you're suggesting they'll say aboriginals can go near drugs and whites can't. Can't work.
The AFL have strongly defended their illicit drugs policy in the wake of Mathew Stokes' criminal charges.
Geelong have stood down the premiership forward and are expected to make an announcement soon on any further action they might take after he was charged last week with cocaine possession and trafficking.
Under the protocol of the World Anti-Doping Agency, to which the AFL is a signatory, if Stokes is found guilty of trafficking it could mean a lifetime playing ban.
AFL operations manager Adrian Anderson said there has been a big drop in positive tests for illicit drugs.
"Obviously we want to see zero transgressions, but the reality is that what you're trying to do is make progress," he said.
"What the education and the illicit drugs policy has done over the last four years has seen the number of positive tests drop below one per cent in the AFL competition for the first time.
"It's less than a quarter of what it was before the illicit drugs policy and that education program started.
"We know there are players who still use drugs and that will remain a focus, to try to eliminate that, but there has been a major reduction in that.
"We know that for a fact from the testing and education that we do."
Anderson said the education program for players is thorough and left them in no doubt about the risks involved.
"We'll always try to do it better, but I'm not sure if there's anyone in anywhere I'm aware of does as much education around the issue of drugs as we do," he said.
"We've really had a concerted effort for a number of years involving medical officers, police, Purana taskforce members, meetings with player leadership groups.
"I don't think there's any excuse for a player these days not to understand what the rules are, it's hard to imagine a more robust education program than what has been provided.
"But yes, we will always look to ways we can do that better - the fact of one or two or however many examples of transgressions, I don't think should be used to say an education program is not worthwhile."
Anderson also backed Geelong for how they were dealing with Stokes and his charges.
"They've been proactive in addressing the issue and I'm sure they'll address it in the appropriate manner," he said.http://au.sports.yahoo.c...ks-illicit-drugs-policy
Maybe the AFL will do nothing Jimmy????? 
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Stokes got pwned hard by the Geelong guys.
- Forbidden to train with senior players until round 1
- Forced to get a full-time job
- $5000 fine
- Banned from games until at least round 8
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Geelong have done the right thing and acted accordingly, the players will feel extremely let down and supporters being the cretins that they are will give them heaps this year. Stokes career is still up in the air and if that 'trafficking' charge sticks he's done for as a player. He needs to get off that before he plays in round 8.
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Round 8, pffftt weak punishment.
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Ava Chardy wrote:The reason so few aboriginal players played in the VFL ?
They weren't good enough?
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Paul Nixon wrote:Round 8, pffftt weak punishment. I think it's a bit on the weak side too, I would have thought 11 games/half a season would be fair. But considering there's probably 20 - 30 players running around with 1 or 2 strikes for actually testing positive to having illicit drugs in their system, and they get off scott free, it's not a weak punishment at all. Stokes made a mistake going anywhere near drugs and buying them for his mates, but he would have been much better off snorting it himself and getting caught, then we wouldn't know about it, and he'd be happily going about preparing for round 1.
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Jimmylt wrote:I think it's a bit on the weak side too, I would have thought 11 games/half a season would be fair.
But considering there's probably 20 - 30 players running around with 1 or 2 strikes for actually testing positive to having illicit drugs in their system, and they get off scott free, it's not a weak punishment at all.
Stokes made a mistake going anywhere near drugs and buying them for his mates, but he would have been much better off snorting it himself and getting caught, then we wouldn't know about it, and he'd be happily going about preparing for round 1.
I think there's a bit more to it than what has been said... Pretty sure the police have some pretty daming phone recordings and text messages which may come back to bite Stokes... Question for you Jimmy, have you ever noticed how many players come back to pre-season training with number 1 haircuts??? Wouldn't have anything to do with hair testing, would it?????
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Goreds wrote:
Question for you Jimmy, have you ever noticed how many players come back to pre-season training with number 1 haircuts???
Wouldn't have anything to do with hair testing, would it?????
Training in the heat is a lot easier with less hair.. ?
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Jimmylt wrote:I think it's a bit on the weak side too, I would have thought 11 games/half a season would be fair.
But considering there's probably 20 - 30 players running around with 1 or 2 strikes for actually testing positive to having illicit drugs in their system, and they get off scott free, it's not a weak punishment at all.
Stokes made a mistake going anywhere near drugs and buying them for his mates, but he would have been much better off snorting it himself and getting caught, then we wouldn't know about it, and he'd be happily going about preparing for round 1.
Very true indeed, the Stokes punishment is fair from the Geelong perspective. The traffciking charge is what will see him sink or swim in the future. There will be some mighty nervous footballers out there right about now who have probably thrown their stash away until the heat is off on this case.
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Goreds wrote:I think there's a bit more to it than what has been said... What do you base that on? Something you heard on SEN?
Pretty sure the police have some pretty daming phone recordings and text messages which may come back to bite Stokes... How do you know?
Question for you Jimmy, have you ever noticed how many players come back to pre-season training with number 1 haircuts??? No.
Wouldn't have anything to do with hair testing, would it????? I think you're drawing a very long bow. Comments like that are why people take internet chat forums with a grain of salt.
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Jimmylt wrote:I think you're very wrong. They will crack down very hard to send a message: "DON"T GO NEAR DRUGS!!".
I can't see the race card you speak about having any influence, you're suggesting they'll say aboriginals can go near drugs and whites can't. Can't work.
Didn't see that decision coming Jimmy? Tried to tell you the AFL would support Geelong in their decision... As for your responses to my previous post, I now know what a sheltered world you really must live in... You can lead a horse to water....! Try and do some research before you respond next time... Stokes bought the drugs from????? Was there a number of raids on houses done at the same time Stokes was busted??? Are they linked??? Are the police claiming a victory on drug dearlers in Geelong??? Police told the court Stokes had received a text message from Mr Randall on January 20 asking if he had "had a go yet".
Stokes, 25, replied two days later saying a friend visiting from Darwin had a taste and "it was good s***".
Mr Randall, a nightclub bouncer, allegedly told Stokes he had a quarter of a gram and was on a high for four hours.
Insp Baker said Stokes was arrested this morning after police were alerted to the small forward's role as a result of telephone intercepts conducted during the operation.
He said Stokes had assisted police.
Wassam Solieman, 34, from Hamlyn Heights, Darren Connelly, 41, from Corio, Jonathon Perisic, 24, from Geelong West and a 22-year-old Highton man were also charged following last Friday's raids, which were part of a three-month police investigation into drug trafficking around Geelong.
They face various drug offences, including traffick, possess and use ecstasy, cocaine, amphetamines and cannabis.
Mr Randall and Mr Wassam have both been remanded in custody to appear in court on February 10 and March 12 respectively.
Mr Connelly and Mr Perisic were bailed, while the Highton man was bailed by police and has not appeared in court yet.
Stokes will appear again in Geelong Magistrates Court for a committal mention in March.
His teammates left training at Kardinia Park today without commenting to the waiting media.
The club is expected to make a statement later this afternoon.
For the full story, head to the Geelong Advertiser.Do you really think this is all the police have????
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Goreds wrote:Didn't see that decision coming Jimmy? What decision?
Tried to tell you the AFL would support Geelong in their decision... So far they have, but if he gets convicted of trafficking, they'll have to overrule it.
As for your responses to my previous post, I now know what a sheltered world you really must live in... Ummm...yeah...whatever.
You can lead a horse to water....!
Try and do some research before you respond next time...
Stokes bought the drugs from????? A drug dealer, Matthew Randall, went to Geelong Tech with a few guys I know.
Was there a number of raids on houses done at the same time Stokes was busted??? Are they linked??? Of course they are, what a strange question!!
Are the police claiming a victory on drug dearlers in Geelong??? A small one I guess.
Police told the court Stokes had received a text message from Mr Randall on January 20 asking if he had "had a go yet".
Stokes, 25, replied two days later saying a friend visiting from Darwin had a taste and "it was good s***".
Mr Randall, a nightclub bouncer, allegedly told Stokes he had a quarter of a gram and was on a high for four hours.
Insp Baker said Stokes was arrested this morning after police were alerted to the small forward's role as a result of telephone intercepts conducted during the operation.
He said Stokes had assisted police.
Wassam Solieman, 34, from Hamlyn Heights, Darren Connelly, 41, from Corio, Jonathon Perisic, 24, from Geelong West and a 22-year-old Highton man were also charged following last Friday's raids, which were part of a three-month police investigation into drug trafficking around Geelong.
They face various drug offences, including traffick, possess and use ecstasy, cocaine, amphetamines and cannabis.
Mr Randall and Mr Wassam have both been remanded in custody to appear in court on February 10 and March 12 respectively.
Mr Connelly and Mr Perisic were bailed, while the Highton man was bailed by police and has not appeared in court yet.
Stokes will appear again in Geelong Magistrates Court for a committal mention in March.
His teammates left training at Kardinia Park today without commenting to the waiting media.
The club is expected to make a statement later this afternoon.
For the full story, head to the Geelong Advertiser.
Do you really think this is all the police have???? Of course I don't, some of mates are Geelong coppers, but that doesn't mean the only other possible story is your guess's. Yeah, that's all great, but can you back up what you said earlier: "Pretty sure the police have some pretty daming phone recordings and text messages which may come back to bite Stokes" or are you just some sort of amateur sleuth reading between the lines and guessing? Look Agathie Christie, perhaps what you're saying is true, perhaps it's not, we'll find out in time. But unless you've got something to back up your theories andconspiracies, then it's all just hot air on the internet.
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I'm tipping Stokes didn't have a dealers phone number just for when his mates are in town.
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Snakecharmer wrote:I'm tipping Stokes didn't have a dealers phone number just for when his mates are in town. I don't have a drug dealers number in my phone. But if I had some mates in from out of town wanting drugs, I could soon enough get a number.
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Jimmylt wrote:Yeah, that's all great, but can you back up what you said earlier: "Pretty sure the police have some pretty daming phone recordings and text messages which may come back to bite Stokes" or are you just some sort of amateur sleuth reading between the lines and guessing?
Look Agathie Christie, perhaps what you're saying is true, perhaps it's not, we'll find out in time. But unless you've got something to back up your theories andconspiracies, then it's all just hot air on the internet.
Fair enough... All I can say is that the dogs(surveillance unit) costs plenty to run... If you think they really care about someone with 1g of anything as well as a couple of text messages you are mistaken... I'm sure the dealers have 100 messages on their phones with the same message... But, as you said, we will see... They will plead it out and Stokes will have to roll over on the dealer... Possession charge and a fine, that should do it...
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Jimmylt wrote:I don't have a drug dealers number in my phone. But if I had some mates in from out of town wanting drugs, I could soon enough get a number.
So could I, but I'd be getting whoever could get the number to do the deal for me.
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Jimmylt wrote:Meh, I don't place the same importance on SEN as you do. The aboriginal issue you speak of may get a run for a couple of days, but will be long forgotten when all the Stokes issues are being dealt with. Can't ignore footy divide Mike Sheahan From: Herald Sun February 10, 2010 12:00AM They are born to express themselves with a football, to demystify the oval ball.
Yet that same mix seems to make it extremely difficult for many of them to adapt to city life, to conform to expectations and disciplines of life as professional sportmen.
Yes, we are treading dangerous ground here, and we know so. Yet, surely it's better to discuss a sensitive issue than ignore it and simply hope it goes away?
The fact is it is an issue being talked about within the industry. By players, officials, player agents, commentators and supporters.
It is not an attack on the indigenous community, more a call for the authorities to address a potential problem. To help them help themselves. To fully exploit their talents, to help them plan for a future. To protect their health and wealth.
Patronising? Perhaps. More constructive, we hope.
One of the elder statesmen of the indigenous players admits privately he is concerned.http://www.heraldsun.com...-e6frf9jf-1225828490812
I didn't expect the chief footy writer in the country to have the balls to write the story... Any change on you opinion now Jimmy???? Add this one as well.... http://www.heraldsun.com...-e6frf9jf-1225828490933
As police, courts and clubs deal with Andrew Lovett, Mathew Stokes and others, the fact is six of the eight players involved in police matters this summer were indigenous.
It is an issue involving sensitivity, education and, at some levels, disappointment
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