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Seriously, how is this guy getting a game... seriously.  Surely Matt Mcguire is a better option (structurally and talent wise) than Raph. Mcguire is playing really good footy in the twos, Ross give him a bl.oody game...
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Been a fan of Xavier, but never Raph. He's never impressed me, except the last couple of games last year.
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aussietomo wrote:Been a fan of Xavier, but never Raph. He's never impressed me, except the last couple of games last year. His decision making is too slow for AFL level football and his looping hospital kicks are something that we have come use too.
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JE$$E wrote:
His decision making is too slow for AFL level football and his looping hospital kicks are something that we have come use too.
Stop describing Richmond.
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Cronk'sArmy wrote:
Stop describing Richmond.
Raph Clarke would be a perfect acquisition for the Tigers next year.
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he cant kick. never kicks to advantage, just the obvious stuff, hes too predictable.
in a marking contest, he never looks sure, always gets beaten one on one.
his strength is running and you never see it. if he does run he then stops and handballs and theres no fluency.
his pressure is deplorable, always misses tackles or gets out muscled.
bring back mcguire. strong bodied, more penetrating kicks, more versatile across the ground and can match up on more defenders and at least offer a contest. how much longer can they keep goose out, this is getting beyond a joke.
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yeh clarke has to go, drop him bring back hudgeton or mcguire so they get match fitness before the geelong game.
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has to be dropped, but he'll be right. just needs a number of things to come together before he can have another chance at settling into the seniors.
really don't like him anywhere near defence.
would love to see him on the wing and hammering into the midfield packs. can deliver quite a hit, get those chicken legs into some form, and he can have neat skills when he wants to.
far from given up on him.
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rants.one wrote:he cant kick. never kicks to advantage, just the obvious stuff, hes too predictable.
in a marking contest, he never looks sure, always gets beaten one on one.
his strength is running and you never see it. if he does run he then stops and handballs and theres no fluency.
his pressure is deplorable, always misses tackles or gets out muscled.
bring back mcguire. strong bodied, more penetrating kicks, more versatile across the ground and can match up on more defenders and at least offer a contest. how much longer can they keep goose out, this is getting beyond a joke.
No need to add anything, you've just about covered all bases. Wouldn't put him in the Saints best 25. Geelong would expose him terribly.
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malevu wrote:
No need to add anything, you've just about covered all bases. Wouldn't put him in the Saints best 25. Geelong would expose him terribly.
He couldn't even handle the intensity of the Melbourne game. The kids got to go!
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He proved in last years finals that he can play at AFL level,he just needs to get some consistant form going.
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kingkingston wrote:He proved in last years finals that he can play at AFL level,he just needs to get some consistant form going. a few good games, regardless of if its the finals just isnt enough for me. if we are going to say he has the potential and we should keep him after a few finals, then thats a joke. hes had long enough to prove himself, not to mention who else saints have on the sidelines or magoo's thats more worthy of a jumper. its like mark mcgough i think it was. may have even been his debut or something. but he played really well in that anzac day game on the big stage. after that he was a flop. clarke has a long way to go to justify his position in the top 22 players.
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I just want to see Armitage get a crack!
B: Gilbert Hudghton Blake
HB: Gram Maguire Fisher
C: Goddard Dal Santo Ray
HF: Armitage Riewoldt Schnieder
F: Milne Koschitzke Ball
FOLL: Gardiner Hayes Montagna
I/C Jones King Geary Baker
Emerg: Eddy McEvoy Dawson
Close, but Sandy: R.Clarke McQualter Gwilt Steven
Dawson, McQualter and Gwilt the unlucky ones, Dawson in particular.
What d'reckon? (waiting for the barrage coutesy of Armitage)
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Gibbsy wrote:I just want to see Armitage get a crack!
B: Gilbert Hudghton Blake
HB: Gram Fisher Maguire
C: Goddard Dal Santo Ray
HF: Armitage Riewoldt Schnieder
F: Milne Koschitzke Ball
FOLL: Gardiner Hayes Montagna
I/C Jones King Geary Baker
Emerg: Eddy McEvoy Dawson
Close, but Sandy: R.Clarke McQualter Gwilt Steven
Dawson, McQualter and Gwilt the unlucky ones, Dawson in particular.
What d'reckon? (waiting for the barrage coutesy of Armitage)
couldnt really disagree except id have mcqualter over geary. geary is good but turns the ball over a bit, whereas mcqualter has been solid and scoring goals, etc. dawson is stiff and could probably play using the horses for courses philosophy and gwilt without being exceptional has been solid. i too would also like to see armitage over some of these other fringe players like geary or eddy. he looks to be class and he was a top pick. i just hope their not using him as GC bait or what not.
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Gibbsy wrote:I just want to see Armitage get a crack!
B: Gilbert Hudghton Blake
HB: Gram Fisher Maguire
C: Goddard Dal Santo Ray
HF: Armitage Riewoldt Schnieder
F: Milne Koschitzke Ball
FOLL: Gardiner Hayes Montagna
I/C Jones King Geary Baker
Emerg: Eddy McEvoy Dawson
Close, but Sandy: R.Clarke McQualter Gwilt Steven
Dawson, McQualter and Gwilt the unlucky ones, Dawson in particular.
What d'reckon? (waiting for the barrage coutesy of Armitage)
B: Baker Hudghton Dawson HB: Ray Fisher Gram C: Goddard Ball Montagna HF: Dal Santo Riewoldt Schnieder F: Milne Koschitzke Gilbert FOLL: Gardiner Hayes Jones I/C: King McQualter Blake Geary Emerg: Gwilt Eddy McEvoy The Saints have the luxury of having defenders who can play on smalls or talls in Gilbert, Hughton, Ray and Fisher which would allow for Dawson to remain in the team along with Maguire and Hudgton and not be to 'top heavy' ... there's room for all three IMO. I really like Gwilt in the team so it's a toss up between he, Dawson and Maguire. Just remember, Dawson played a full season forward with the Hawks two's last year so there's always that option. Maguire has also had some experience up forward so I've started him there. The midfield looks the goods with Goddard, Ball, Montagna, Jones, Gardiner and Ball starting with Dal, McQalter, Gram, Geary, Ray, Baker, King and Schnieder to rotate through when required. I don't give Armitage any chance of breaking into the team. Geary is averaging 20 possies a game, Jones has turned into an A grade run with player and McQualter is as hard as they come and has become a bit of a goal sneak. Edit: If I was going to make a change, it would be to bring in Gwilt for a tall, most likely Maguire... at this stage. Edit 2: I forgot Blake. I can't find room for Maguire... You just can't drop Dawson as he's one of the form backmen in the league. He's beat whoever they have put in front of him including, Rocca, Tredders, Brown ect.
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rants.one wrote:
couldnt really disagree except id have mcqualter over geary. geary is good but turns the ball over a bit, whereas mcqualter has been solid and scoring goals, etc.
dawson is stiff and could probably play using the horses for courses philosophy and gwilt without being exceptional has been solid.
i too would also like to see armitage over some of these other fringe players like geary or eddy. he looks to be class and he was a top pick. i just hope their not using him as GC bait or what not.
I think all your points are spot on. To be honest, i've found myself once or twice this year hoping McQualter would make a mistake so that Armitage can get a look in but McQualter has done his job each week. Strange i know. Even stranger, i would rather Dawson get an unsignificant injury to let Maxxy in than Zac be dropped. We have seen him grow and i've been absolutely wrapped with his progress but i think him getting dropped may set back his confidence. A healthy or unhealthy delima?
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JE$$E wrote:
B: Baker Hudghton Dawson
HB: Ray Fisher Gram
C: Goddard Ball Montagna
HF: Dal Santo Riewoldt Schnieder
F: Milne Koschitzke Gilbert
FOLL: Gardiner Hayes Jones
I/C: King McQualter Blake Geary
Emerg: Gwilt Eddy McEvoy
The Saints have the luxury of having defenders who can play on smalls or talls in Gilbert, Hughton, Ray and Fisher which would allow for Dawson to remain in the team along with Maguire and Hudgton and not be to 'top heavy' ... there's room for all three IMO.
I really like Gwilt in the team so it's a toss up between he, Dawson and Maguire. Just remember, Dawson played a full season forward with the Hawks two's last year so there's always that option. Maguire has also had some experience up forward so I've started him there.
The midfield looks the goods with Goddard, Ball, Montagna, Jones, Gardiner and Ball starting with Dal, McQalter, Gram, Geary, Ray, Baker, King and Schnieder to rotate through when required. I don't give Armitage any chance of breaking into the team. Geary is averaging 20 possies a game, Jones has turned into an A grade run with player and McQualter is as hard as they come and has become a bit of a goal sneak.
Edit: If I was going to make a change, it would be to bring in Gwilt for a tall, most likely Maguire... at this stage.
Edit 2: I forgot Blake. I can't find room for Maguire... You just can't drop Dawson as he's one of the form backmen in the league. He's beat whoever they have put in front of him including, Rocca, Tredders, Brown ect.
Your right. Nobody who played against Melbourne, excluding Raph for Milney, deserves to be dropped. Everyone has done their job including the lesser lights such as McQualter, Geary, Gwilt. It just that i can't keep Maxxy out and wouldn't be disappointed if Armitage got a run. Max has been one of the most underrated FBs of the modern era. Absolutely SAINTsational. Can play on talls and smalls. Fantastic clubman. Would do absolutely anything for a win and takes it as a personal insult if his opponent gets within 15m of the ball. It depends on opposition matchups but unfortunately for Zac, its Hudghton for mine if it comes down to a choice between them.
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Gibbsy wrote:
Your right. Nobody who played against Melbourne, excluding Raph for Milney, deserves to be dropped. Everyone has done their job including the lesser lights such as McQualter, Geary, Gwilt. It just that i can't keep Maxxy out and wouldn't be disappointed if Armitage got a run. Max i has been one of the most underrated FBs of the modern era. Absolutely SAINTsational. Can play on talls and smalls. Fantastic clubman. Would do absolutely anything for a win and takes it as a personal insult if his opponent gets within 15m of the ball. I depends on opposition matchups but unfortunately for Zac, its Hudghton for mine if it comes down to one of them.
I'm with you on Max. Just like Spud says, Max is the first player picked (along with Rooey and Lenny). I'm still convinced that there is room for both. Blake has been filling the role of the second deep backman all year and has the versatility to play just about anywhere. The good thing about Hudgeton is that he can play on the Stevie J, Mark Williams or Johnston type which would leave Dawson to take the taller deep forward. There's valid arguments for either option, isn't it great finally having some depth!?
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Gibbsy wrote:
I think all your points are spot on. To be honest, i've found myself once or twice this year hoping McQualter would make a mistake so that Armitage can get a look in but McQualter has done his job each week. Strange i know.
Even stranger, i would rather Dawson get an unsignificant injury to let Maxxy in than Zac be dropped. We have seen him grow and i've been absolutely wrapped with his progress but i think him getting dropped may set back his confidence. A healthy or unhealthy delima?
in regards to mcqualter, i know what you mean. i didnt expect him to be that solid but hes really surprised me. i certainly had him as one of the players that faced being delisted. i also didnt like him because he tried to pick up my ex missus over facebook. at the time it ****ed me off, but looking back on it, he can have her! dawson has been a revelation. hes not the quickest player and doesnt have the best disposal. but he always gets to the ball and shuts down anyone so far this year hes been put on. hes a good family friend of ours so im really pleased to see him to well, especially for my team. i really felt sorry for him after when he played for hawthorn, what happened and his subsequent delisting. its great the saints had faith and he repaid them because at one stage he didnt look like he might get back to top level.
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rants.one wrote:
in regards to mcqualter, i know what you mean. i didnt expect him to be that solid but hes really surprised me. i certainly had him as one of the players that faced being delisted. i also didnt like him because he tried to pick up my ex missus over facebook. at the time it ****ed me off, but looking back on it, he can have her!
dawson has been a revelation. hes not the quickest player and doesnt have the best disposal. but he always gets to the ball and shuts down anyone so far this year hes been put on. hes a good family friend of ours so im really pleased to see him to well, especially for my team. i really felt sorry for him after when he played for hawthorn, what happened and his subsequent delisting. its great the saints had faith and he repaid them because at one stage he didnt look like he might get back to top level.
Lucky for you McQualter is an ugly fecker
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