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HARRYKAY
Posted: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:17:25 PM
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that horse from qld with the weird name ?????????????????

CHAKVETADZE (2005) 3yo br f
Taimazov (ARG) - Gotha (AUS) (Rustic Amber (IRE))
Trainer Nolan, M G
Bhunta
Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:09:03 PM
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Coubertin is the 2009 cox plate winner...
Duffman
Posted: Thursday, November 13, 2008 8:32:09 PM
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spinoff wrote:
Duffman, that's a bit rough on PJC. The presumption that if he watched the race he has no clue about racing, PJC knows his sh.it. People can watch and interpret races differently, sometimes right, sometimes wrong, but if an interpretation doesn't agree with your own, you can't knock a bloke like that when previously he's proven himself to be cluey-er (sic) than many on here.

It was a moderate class of race, he never threatened the winner at his first try in city grade, on face value that casts doubt over him in the top class.
Granted, the way the race at Flemington was run, the way the track was playing that day and the impossible position DD was asked to overcome - he ran home really nicely and should not have lost any fans on that effort. Are there issues with his feet? Did he not appreciate the firmness of the track?

Also any current opinion of him over 2040m is opinion only, much like it was with Weekend Hussler - the Duke's devastating sprint we've seen him unfurl before may not be anywhere near as effective if his stamina is stretched too far, if he doesn't have the time to balance up and let rip because of a short straight... on that basis, it is not unreasonable for anyone to doubt his ability over a mile and a quarter. Just because a horse is an impressive swooper over the short courses, doesn't mean he's looking for extra distance Neutral

I like the horse a lot, really, but I do slightly lean towards PJC's corner, the wraps on Daintree Duke are extensive, over the top, and the confidence in which he's being tipped to develop into a G1 galloper (and for Cox Plate no less) by people seemingly across the board, leaves me slightly questioning where exactly their supremely confident opinion is coming from and why they think it's justified.

Maybe because Sheila saying he's the best horse she's ridden? Because of a couple ultra impressive wins in the country? The unlucky performance on one of our biggest days of racing? It'll at least be interesting to see whether or not he lives up to the hype, because right now imo that's where most of the push for him is coming from. Hype horses come and go, let's hope he's one of the few who lives up to it Cool


Interview this morning confirmed he jarred up a little, and they've put him out for the Autumn.

More precautionary by the sounds, but you picked it like a dirty schnozz.

Adds a little more merit to the run in my books.....time shall tell....
Haradasun
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:31:09 PM
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Bhunta wrote:
Coubertin is the 2009 cox plate winner...


i agree

this horse is a superstar in the making. if he wins a couple of group 1 will possibly top the 20 million half share haradasun was sold for
efficent
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:19:08 PM
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hardasun is an overpriced donkey.
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Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:38:27 PM
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if haradasun is worth 40 mil then by comparison they should be selling shares for 60 mil plus for the miss
rizza
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:00:24 PM
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you would have to load up on all the good ... the way he destroyed the emirates field
Bhunta
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:02:07 PM
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efficent wrote:
if haradasun is worth 40 mil then by comparison they should be selling shares for 60 mil plus for the miss


Why?
efficent
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:02:51 PM
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rizza wrote:
you would have to load up on all the good ... the way he destroyed the emirates field


all the good won the caufield cup not the cox plate or emirates stake. thread is about winner for the 2009 cox plate
efficent
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:06:10 PM
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Bhunta wrote:


Why?


3 group ones doesnt equate to 40 mil in my books. regualry got beat by horses regarded as a lot worse than it. never seen a horse keep comin out fav after gettin beat so many previous starts last spring. good horse dont get me wrong but 40 mil price tag is a joke. i rate the miss well above it atm
Bhunta
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:14:22 PM
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efficent wrote:


3 group ones doesnt equate to 40 mil in my books. regualry got beat by horses regarded as a lot worse than it. never seen a horse keep comin out fav after gettin beat so many previous starts last spring. good horse dont get me wrong but 40 mil price tag is a joke. i rate the miss well above it atm


Being a dual hemisphere G1 winner and his bloodlines, his stud potential is enormous. He will make 100 x what sam miss makes in the breeding barn.

On sam miss the owner put an add in the sportsman for $10m for 50%. Biggest joke I’ve ever heard! No way she is worth that.
armesy
Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:14:36 PM
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efficent wrote:


3 group ones doesnt equate to 40 mil in my books. regualry got beat by horses regarded as a lot worse than it. never seen a horse keep comin out fav after gettin beat so many previous starts last spring. good horse dont get me wrong but 40 mil price tag is a joke. i rate the miss well above it atm


The miss cant knock up as any mares as Harada can though can she.
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Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:21:36 PM
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yes i must agree i am probly more looking along the lines of racing and not so much stud value etc.. sorry
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Posted: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:03:30 PM
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chippa7 wrote:
IMO the hussler would have won the Cox Plate by 3 lengths as it was run as it was pretty much a walk with sprint at the end.


if he had a 15 meter headstart or started 3 seconds before the field . THE HUSTLER is a sprinter/miler , 2000 meters is way beyond his winning distance
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