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batman wrote:
I agree, can't see it happening realistically. but a long way down the track, with a better player depth, and perhaps a stronger desire from particular regions to get their own slice of afl glory, eg: canberra, darwin, tasmania we might see some motivation for it. you are right tho, i think it probably had to start in the 1890's as a two tier system for it to be one now with all the investments/deals/drafts tied into it at the moment
You never know what could happen in the future. I think you're right though, an expansion like this would have to come from places like Canberra, darwin etc. like you said. If there were enough of a demand in these areas for an AFL club, a second tier competition could be established with these new teams/areas, and a selection of dominant teams from the VFL/SANFL, etc. The main thing is though that the desire for these new clubs in places like Canberra/Darwin/Tas would have to be from the people and not from the AFL just trying to force an expansion. Then and only then would it work. Imagine if we had Canberra, Darwin, Tasmania, Gold Coast, The new sydney team, Sturt, Norwood, a couple of WAFL teams and a couple of VFL teams all playing against each other in a second tier national comp. That would be awesome in my opinion. On a side note does anybody know how the current system in the EPL came to be? I reckon it must have come from up and coming clubs around the country that had a lot of talent, support and money, who wanted the right to earn their spot in the big time.
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batman wrote:
haha princess, nice one champ!
nah i did look at ur idea, it just seemed u were too interested in slamming it than actually weighing it up! not sayin i dont disagree with it tho... yeh man im defs hurtin tho!!! can u send me a porn mag and an old sock care of:
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captainsticks4 wrote:
Imagine if we had Canberra, Darwin, Tasmania, Gold Coast, The new sydney team, Sturt, Norwood, a couple of WAFL teams and a couple of VFL teams all playing against each other in a second tier national comp. That would be awesome in my opinion.
i agree, that would be stellar. i'm in canberra tho and there just isn't a desire like there used to be. Ever since our hird/hamill/buckley producing days the sport has dropped off a bit. plus, the a-league is showing interest and i think that might grab all the crowds left over from the brumbies and the raiders. i still think the idea could get off the ground tho, but we can't have a repeat of west sydney, with too much forcing and money involved, has to be a true aussie rules thing
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captainsticks4 wrote:
You never know what could happen in the future. I think you're right though, an expansion like this would have to come from places like Canberra, darwin etc. like you said. If there were enough of a demand in these areas for an AFL club, a second tier competition could be established with these new teams/areas, and a selection of dominant teams from the VFL/SANFL, etc. The main thing is though that the desire for these new clubs in places like Canberra/Darwin/Tas would have to be from the people and not from the AFL just trying to force an expansion. Then and only then would it work.
Imagine if we had Canberra, Darwin, Tasmania, Gold Coast, The new sydney team, Sturt, Norwood, a couple of WAFL teams and a couple of VFL teams all playing against each other in a second tier national comp. That would be awesome in my opinion.
On a side note does anybody know how the current system in the EPL came to be? I reckon it must have come from up and coming clubs around the country that had a lot of talent, support and money, who wanted the right to earn their spot in the big time.
If you count Richmond who had a sponsor but due to the current financial crisis lost them there are 3 AFL teams in the hunt for sponsors. If we had a relegation system then you would also have several other teams trying to attain sponsorship of the same level to allow them to compete in the AFL. It would also require the VFL, SANFL, WAFL, QAFL, TFL and whatever NSW use to all combine to form a secondary competition then the teams left would have to form a third tier and then whatever is left over form a fourth tier. Fourth tier teams would be aiming to go up a level and if by some freak were able to attract a sponsor that would put them in a position to go up not just the one or two tiers but three into AFL it would mean that a team that had made the AFL what it is today would drop off. Even worse though imagine a team in the fourth level managing to have the finances to take a Chris JUdd out of the AFL what a waste of talent that would be.
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hugues de payens wrote:
If you count Richmond who had a sponsor but due to the current financial crisis lost them there are 3 AFL teams in the hunt for sponsors. If we had a relegation system then you would also have several other teams trying to attain sponsorship of the same level to allow them to compete in the AFL.
It would also require the VFL, SANFL, WAFL, QAFL, TFL and whatever NSW use to all combine to form a secondary competition then the teams left would have to form a third tier and then whatever is left over form a fourth tier. Fourth tier teams would be aiming to go up a level and if by some freak were able to attract a sponsor that would put them in a position to go up not just the one or two tiers but three into AFL it would mean that a team that had made the AFL what it is today would drop off.
Even worse though imagine a team in the fourth level managing to have the finances to take a Chris JUdd out of the AFL what a waste of talent that would be.
Yeah you're basically right. While I do like the sound of the idea, it is but a pipe dream. When you start taking everything into consideration it's just a total nightmare and there's just a million things you have to consider. I agree about your Chris Judd scenario too. You would get the situation where you have rich international owners (Arabs, anyone?) who are buying out/sponsoring the lower tier clubs with ambitions of taking them to the top. What would unfortunately happen though is yes, you would have players like your Judds, Abbletts, Richardsons, etc. who end up playing out their careers in a lowly grade of football. Making huge money, yes... but wasting their talents away in the lower tiers. So overall as I've said, nice idea... but I feel pretty safe to write it off as an impossibility. Makes for interesting discussion though.
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hugues de payens wrote:
Do you think you will reveal your real account or will you continue to hide behind an alter?
I thought that was your domain colloseum..... or was that sir lancelot?
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HAWKS 2009 wrote:
I thought that was your domain colloseum.....
or was that sir lancelot?
 You have no idea do you? Go look when the last time those accounts were used. Also if this was an alter account I would deny those other accounts wouldn't I?
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hugues de payens wrote:Fuck me I said sorry.
I didn't realise the whole thing was a joke.
So fucking shoot me.
So I said sor4ry what more do you want? Haha someone was on the sauce Thursday night!
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batman wrote:with expansions all over the place, something sprung to mind. I was watching the EPL and thought, one of the beauties of this league is the fact that a team like Hull can climb divisions, not just climb from a wooden spoon, and launch themselves into the top half of the top flight of english football.
Soccer lacks the depth in this country to do that with any credibility, but what about AFL? It was my solid belief this past season that the geelong reserves would have beaten the melbourne demons on their day and I guess I thought that with the current expansion of the AFL, the talent is being spread even thinner across the board....
I know this may never happen, but I really would love to see it, two tier's of AFL. That way Tasmania could earn its birth in the AFL without the corporate door-slammers getting in their way. In really think it would spice things up, and give us way more afl to watch on telly! let me know your thoughts!!!
an FA cup of sorts wouldn't be bad either in the distant future once more clubs had better depth.
on the humorous side, what about if the worst side in the AFL was relegated tot he NRL, and vice versa, the Melbourne Demons in the NRL, and the Canterbury Bulldogs lining up in the AFL haha Not enough money in the game to support the second tier. Costs such as travel and salaries would be prohibitive for the second tier sides, would could reasonably expect to get significantly smaller crowds and sponsorship deals than the first tier sides. Can't see it being workable. Was suggested last off-season too.
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It will never work. Forget it. Not the way Australia and the population is today. Australia is a huge, almost empty continent, with small isolated pockets of population. You simply can't run a promotion/relegation system with this sort of population situation. The second tier competitions will always be localised within their own region. You can't expect to have second tier teams from different regions playing each other - the distance and cost involved is just too much.
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The only other thing I've got to add, is try and look at it this way. The current situation didn't arrive by chance. If promotion/relgation was the best option it would already have happened. But it hasn't, if you ask why not, you'd see that it wouldn't be feasible. We already have the system best adapted to our own unique conditions.
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I was thinking about this the other day, but with all the points made it doesn't look like it'll happen.
But it would be good, seeing as it would stop all that tanking nonsense.
And to all the people taking about 3rd tier teams buying Judd and all those top players, i doubt it'll happen. Just look at soccer in Europe it almost never happens.
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Saintersss wrote:I was thinking about this the other day, but with all the points made it doesn't look like it'll happen.
But it would be good, seeing as it would stop all that tanking nonsense.
And to all the people taking about 3rd tier teams buying Judd and all those top players, i doubt it'll happen. Just look at soccer in Europe it almost never happens. We are not talking about soccer in europe though.
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batman wrote:
haha princess, nice one champ!
nah i did look at ur idea, it just seemed u were too interested in slamming it than actually weighing it up! not sayin i dont disagree with it tho... yeh man im defs hurtin tho!!! can u send me a porn mag and an old sock care of:
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Thats BS.... Batman lives in Gotham City
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batman wrote:with expansions all over the place, something sprung to mind. I was watching the EPL and thought, one of the beauties of this league is the fact that a team like Hull can climb divisions, not just climb from a wooden spoon, and launch themselves into the top half of the top flight of english football.
Soccer lacks the depth in this country to do that with any credibility, but what about AFL? It was my solid belief this past season that the geelong reserves would have beaten the melbourne demons on their day and I guess I thought that with the current expansion of the AFL, the talent is being spread even thinner across the board....
I know this may never happen, but I really would love to see it, two tier's of AFL. That way Tasmania could earn its birth in the AFL without the corporate door-slammers getting in their way. In really think it would spice things up, and give us way more afl to watch on telly! let me know your thoughts!!!
an FA cup of sorts wouldn't be bad either in the distant future once more clubs had better depth.
on the humorous side, what about if the worst side in the AFL was relegated tot he NRL, and vice versa, the Melbourne Demons in the NRL, and the Canterbury Bulldogs lining up in the AFL haha Melbourne would beat any VFL side by more than 20 goals! The reason this can work in soccer is that weaker sides from lowere divisions can play a defensive game and maybe pinch a goal on a turnover. This would never happen in AFL as it is too difficult to lock down the ground of that size.
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